• kenbw2@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    And this is what’s wrong with politics now

    I’m all for gay rights and advocate for same sex marriage. But if he doesn’t then he’s now boxed in with the skinhead kill-all-the-immigrants crowd? Where’s the nuance?

    That said, I don’t really trust Brave the product. It’s pushing its privacy agenda a little too hard for me to trust it.

    Just use Firefox if you want privacy

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        I agree, it ought to be a hard line.

        Question is, though, where’s the line? We don’t all come with the same exact moral compass, and we’re all perfectly capable of rationalizing evil, so you can’t just say “be a moral and non-bigoted person” and expect the desired outcome. Plenty of slave owners worldwide were convinced that slavery was not just morally admissible but even admirable.

        No matter where that line is, it needs to be well-defined and agreed-upon, or else it’s arbitrary, and thus open to abuse and corruption by demagogues.

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          I think we can agree that those slave owners were wrong, just as we can agree that Eich was and remains wrong about gay marriage.

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            In my experience, anybody who claims morality is “clear cut” is probably naive, otherwise they’re selling a cult. The fact that you think my line is questioning is suspicious without knowing anything about me or anything beyond this thread makes me suspect it’s the latter, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

            Yes, it’s a philosophical debate. That’s why I’m here, on the Internet, asking philosophical questions, to spur debate.

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                Please, go back and carefully read what I wrote. I’ve said nothing about whether I find Eich’s donation morally acceptable or not, let alone anything beyond that. You seem quick to condemn on nothing more than circumstance. The far-left is just as illiberal, regressive, and unjust as the far-right.

                Beware of groupthink. It makes for smooth brains.

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        I don’t like that he supported a campaign against gay marriage. I don’t know his reasons for doing so but it’s probably not one I’d support.

        But my understanding extends no further. I know he made a donation. I don’t have the nuance or understanding to extrapolate that into putting him into an entire box

        There’s something ironic about tarring him with a broad brush based on one attribute

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          The dude spent $1,000 declaring where he stood on taking someone’s rights away and you’re like meh I don’t wanna jump to judgement here lmao

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            I’ll absolutely disagree with his action in contributing to taking away same sex marriage. I don’t see why gay people shouldn’t get married.

            I don’t know his reason for contributing to it. I’ll very likely disagree with his reason.

            What I’m saying is, does that make him alt-right (whatever that even means)? The only thing you can deduce is that he thinks gay people shouldn’t get married

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            hey guys stop being judgemental of bigots

            Isn’t what I said

            All I’ve said is you can’t extrapolate “He disagrees with X there for he must also be Y and Z”

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        This is the first I’ve heard of that proposition so I have no idea. Nor do I know the guy’s feelings on it other than he felt motivated to donate to it

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          If you’re not familiar with Prop 8 then you can’t understand why people judge its supporters, like Eich, as harshly as we do.

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      I’m all for gay rights and advocate for same sex marriage. But if he doesn’t then he’s now boxed in with the skinhead kill-all-the-immigrants crowd? Where’s the nuance?

      The nuance is that straight white people get away with this shit. Sleep with dogs wake up with fleas. Also you just did a “im all for gay rights…, but…” Lmao.

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        Also you just did a “im all for gay rights…, but…”

        I did realise I had the classic =/

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      So you’re telling me I should throw my money and data at a guy that doesn’t believe in my human rights?

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      If someone is using their money and influence to actively trample on my human rights, then yes, I reserve the right to call them out for being a cunt.

      Aw diddums, but what if I hurt the homophobes wittle feelings 🥺??? I don’t give a fuck about his precious little fee fees. I care about the rights of people.

      And no, calling out a bigot for being bigoted is not the issue with politics. The issue with politics is the bigoted shitheads who view themselves as deserving more rights than the “undesirables” in society.