NEW YORK—Admitting that they had been working for several years without any discernible success, FBI agents confirmed Wednesday that a local left-wing political group was too disorganized to infiltrate. “We’ve had a few guys in there posing as members and trying to manipulate them into committing acts of violence we…
Left-wing groups: disorganized
Right-wing groups: incredibly bad at opsec
Yet it still ends up as:
Left-wing groups: Beaten and arrested by police for peacefully protesting.
Right-wing groups: Attempt to overthrow democracy, get off scot-free.
Given how they are being systematically hunted down and sentenced to long prison sentences one after the other and from the bottom up, I don’t think this is accurate.
As of last month
Even directly assaulting cops got these fuckers below average sentences, let alone the literal act of trying to overthrow democracy.
Just got to be on the white side of the aisle
When I was teenager, I got a speeding ticket in a different state and ignored it. Several months later, I got a notice that my home state was going to suspend my license over it unless I dealt with it within a month. Because I had skipped my court date, the only way I could do that was to drive 10 hours, show up early to court, and request that the DA and judge add my case to the docket.
So, I drove overnight, showed up early, and they agreed to hear my case. In the state I was in, at triffic court they have you stand in line and when you’re 3rd in line the ADA asks your name and pulls your file to the top and the DA then reads the charges out load when it’s your turn.
As I’m next in line, the DA starts reading the case of the person in front of me and it’s almost identical to mine. We were both clocked going significantly over the speed limit (I was actually going slightly faster), we were both from out of state, and we had both failed to appear to our scheduled court date. The judge hit him with a $200 fine and $150 court fee that would be reduced to $100 if it was paid on the spot in cash. I began to panic. I only had $250 until my next paycheck and my license was due to be suspended before then. I could barely hear the DA read off the details of my case over my pulse in my ears. The judge listened then announced my fine: $75 plus the court fee.
The only difference between myself and the person in front of me was our race. Yes, we were in a southern state and, yes, the judge was an old, white man.
Not to defend these guys, but be careful when using statistical averages and drawing conclusions from them when you dont have the other contextual data.
Like for example sentencing guidelines give leniency to first time offenders, so If the sample of Jan 6 traitors has more first time offenders than the nationwide average, then we would expect them to have a shorter average sentences. I cant read the article you posted so I dont know if this is considered at all.
That’s a valid point and one I hadn’t considered. I’ll certainly keep that in mind for future, as I do like statistical data.
Although I do find it reasonable in this instance to debunk the claim they received long prison sentences, as a handful of years is pretty short considering the severity of their attempted action.
Not awesome. But at least somewhat better than not being tried at all. Which is kind of what I expected going in.
A few years for treason is not long.
No one has been charged for treason because guess what, it doesnt count as treason.
Your comment doesn’t count as a contribution to discussion.
Zing! (downvote me I’m not contributing)
Man, downvotes from people who don’t know the difference between sedition and treason.
TL;DR: it’s sedition when you’re domestic, treason when you’re foreign.
I r o n i c
In what prison Putin is now? Here’s the answer.
The US doesn’t have jurisdiction to enforce laws on Putin without an invasion
Buildings burn and people die when overthrow is attempted. Therefore that’s exaggeration.
People did die…
Your dictionary sucks lol
Look at those downvotes.
What did I say that was so bad?
What do you think is going on here?
You stated that “overthrow” is an exaggeration because buildings didn’t burn or whatever. That’s not the definition of overthrow.
The fact is, people tried to overturn the US Presidential Election by extralegal means including force, with the intent of putting in place an illegitimate leader. That meets the definition of overthrow and insurrection.
Of course, if you are operating on right wing propaganda instead of facts, you won’t agree.
And if your epistemology is clouded with superstitious thinking and unchecked cognitive biases, you won’t ever be able to see through the bullshit.
That seems rather simplistic and idealistic. Like a cartoon.
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Can’t have bad opsec if you don’t have an op to sec.
Well that’s where the FBI comes in
It’s hard to justify infiltrating activist groups like Food Not Bombs if they never plan an attack on a federal building. For a fun listen, the second season of Bundyville talks about a small group with “anti-government” leanings and how the Feds tried to encourage them to act violently. My favorite part is when one Fed texted another Fed questioning their exact plan, because the cell of five members had multiple Feds! Multiple Feds to infiltrate and influence (what’s the exact line for entrapment I wonder) a small number of people and even then they were ineffective. I guess there weren’t enough lonely autistic teens in the group.
Ineffectual versus incompetent.
Around here they are definitely the same picture