“It’s almost a cruel joke on the electorate that the longest presidential election potentially ever might also be the one that they’re least excited about,” said one Democratic pollster, speaking anonymously to candidly discuss the race.

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    Biden has not governed from the center right, at least during his presidency.

    He’s advanced concrete LGBTQ rights more than probably any other president.

    People talk about him like they have not been paying any attention to the three years of policy and legislation he’s pushed through that advancing civil rights, and it’s probably because they aren’t paying attention and it’s easier to complain then comprehensively analyze the candidates.

    trump is a rapist who doesn’t care about hurting people for his own gain, so it’s pretty easy to analyze him, but these two candidates couldn’t be farther apart. In terms of domestic and foreign policy, civil rights, economic policy, it’s just they’re nothing like at all.

    Lazy equivocative articles like this are useless or worse because they’re spreading misinformation that Biden, who has actively helped tens of millions of people with his policies, is as bad as Trump, who has actively hurt untold millions with his policies.

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      Biden is an establishment Democrat, and the Democratic party has been a center right party since Bill Clinton.

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        So you’re agreeing that while Biden used to be center-right, he’s now a startlingly progressive legislator as the president?

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          No, Biden still very much a centrist. He’s more pro-union than expected, which is great, but I definitely wouldn’t call him a progressive.

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            He reversed the transgender ban in the military, expanded the civil rights act to include transgender protection, gave direct student relief aid in the form of cash money to people, provided funding for the DOJ to sue anti-lgbtq groups, is replacing federal and government buildings and vehicles with sustainable materials and systems, created a gender policy council in the White House, has reunited families across the border that were separated by Trump, took down the keystone pipeline, invested a trillion dollars in sustainable technology and infrastructure, threw another billion at climate change and healthcare.

            I have said he was a center right republican before his presidency, but his executive orders and legislation in his first term are painting him firmly left, and in some areas like LGBTQ rights or the environment, progressive.

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              Biden just pledged to shut down the border if the GOP will allow him to do it. He’s supporting Netanyahu through its genocide in Gaza. He’s anti-Medicare for All. He signaled to all his wealthy donors that “nothing fundamental will change” and has stuck by that pledge.

              “More progressive than we thought” is not the same as being actually progressive. He’s had to move that way in part because the policy positions have become so popular.

              But I’m done arguing with you. I’ll let you get the last word.

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                You should definitely quit while you’re behind.

                Shutting down the border does not negate Biden’s progressive policies.

                Biden has actively contradicted netanyahu since the war started, and has openly said he won’t support an extended war and is focusing on a two-state solution.

                He’s expanded healthcare in a ton of ways(lower premiums, increased access to Obamacare, expanded Medicaid eligibility, LGBTQ coverage, mental health services, telehealth services, reducing drug prices) while pursuing the policy he prefers. That does not negate Biden’s other progressive policies either.

                Biden has not signaled that nothing will change, biden has progressively reformed social, civil, business, economic domestic and foreign policies.

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                  Biden has routinely set the US up as Netanyahu’s staunchest ally where it actually matters: delivery of weapons and money,

                  He bypassed congressional review to send tank shells, asked congress for removal of all arms export restrictions on Israel, sent us military assets to assist in surveillance and target selection, and that’s just what we know about.

                  On other fronts, the US is the only vote standing between Israel and UN sanctions.

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                    Following a major terrorist attack, Biden is continuing a 70 year mutual defense policy with an extremely active ally, and now that there is undeniable evidence that the ally is committing atrocities, Biden is diplomatically trying to draw down the aggression in a war he has no soldiers in.

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      The trick is to make up your mind on him before he gets sworn in, then it’s easy to dismiss any progress as “not far enough” or “just doing it to get re-elected”

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        Got no horse in this race, but wouldn’t “doing it to get re-elected” be a good thing? Isn’t that how democracies are supposed to work?

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          In a way, but since you can only be US president for two terms, “doing it to get re-elected” means that you don’t believe they’ll continue doing whatever they’re doing during their second term if you re-elect them.