The real Christians got persecuted and crucified two thousand years ago, for saying “be kind to one another”. The Christians we know today, their antescendents converted when some dude in power said they were now Christian. They didn’t become different people.
No, they got persecuted two thousand years ago for challenging the power dynamics of a conservative theocracy dependent on revisionist religious orthodoxy.
Which is very ironic given the embracing of the tradition today by a group hell bent on establishing a conservative theocracy dependent on a revisionist version of that tradition which brought it more in line with said religious orthodoxy.
Of course because they’re not strong enough to fight for their beliefs or some other bullshit. I’ve had someone unironically say Jesus was too soft. They’ve lost the plot.
It’s always been funny to me how religious people, who follow their religious doctrine to the gritty details, are called “extremists” when they’re the only ones actually following the doctrine.
You’re either an extremist or a fuckin hypocrite who chooses to cherry pick which parts of the doctrine you choose to follow.
Either way their beliefs mean nothing to me and I’m absolutely fucking sick of hearing about whatever bullshit sky daddy they pray to.
Fundamentalists don’t necessarily follow the tenets of the religion more accurately or thoroughly. They often have their own interpretations others disagree with, and pick and choose what to follow as much as the rest.
To be fair, if you tried to follow all the rules and teachings of old religions today, you’d definitely be breaking a lot of them just by going about your daily life. If you literally followed all the stuff from the bible, you could end up being punished for even just casually saying the name of another god according to Exodus 23:13 KJV.
I can see why people don’t fully follow every teaching or rule if stuff like that is cannon, but at the same time can somewhat agree religion kinda seems ancient and outdated.
If you literally followed all the stuff from the bible, you could end up being punished for even just casually saying the name of another god according to Exodus 23:13 KJV.
Following a text literally is not the same as following the actual teachings of a religion.
Any “Bible” most of us can read is a revision of a translation of a translation with the additional problem of being coloured by the opinion of whoever had control over subsequent versions. You cannot take it literally. Like, at all.
If you as a translator, publisher, king or whoever had influence over a major revision of “the bible” started out with a phrase to the effect of “you shouldn’t follow other religions’ teachings” and had a particular pet peeve for people speaking of other gods, you could easily arrive at a wording forbidding the “mention of the name of other gods”. I’m not knowledgeable about this in the slightest and cannot make any solid assertions here (though if you look at i.e. the older Wycliff version it sounds a lot less specific) but rather want this to serve as an example for just how much room there is for error in such historical documents.
There is no authoritative and exact source on the beliefs of Christianism as many assume the bible to be.
Systems like Christianity are way too complex, ancient and far removed from modern society - the Ten Commandments were pretty concise, but then there’s so many other ‘do this, don’t do that’ rules and suggestions, in Leviticus for instance, plus then the New Testament which has some things that override the old one. Then it’s tied to this supernatural gibberish and tall tales and legends that barely make sense (Noah’s Ark, for example, or Jesus magically creating food and healing people), plus centuries of rationalizations of the contradictions (Trinity) and additions used to control people (eternal hellfire!). For a book supposedly dictated by a supreme being, the Bible sure could use a damned editor. Probably the whole thing should be scrapped, but newer religions aren’t much better, if at all.
They were not persecuted to any real extent and the few that were was because they weren’t giving sacrifices to the gods. Not because of any moral reason.
You can even see it in the first time a political leader mentions them. He says that he lets them go if they just agree to make an offering. The Romans had zero problems with charity the Romans had zero problems with people being nice. They had a problem with not respecting the gods because they “knew” that if you didn’t bad stuff would happen.
There was no golden age to Christianity that they fell from.
The real Christians got persecuted and crucified two thousand years ago, for saying “be kind to one another”. The Christians we know today, their antescendents converted when some dude in power said they were now Christian. They didn’t become different people.
No, they got persecuted two thousand years ago for challenging the power dynamics of a conservative theocracy dependent on revisionist religious orthodoxy.
Which is very ironic given the embracing of the tradition today by a group hell bent on establishing a conservative theocracy dependent on a revisionist version of that tradition which brought it more in line with said religious orthodoxy.
Evangelists use The Bible as a shield and scripture as a weapon. I like to think actual Christians aren’t these people.
Actual Christians will be being persecuted by these people. Whether in the US or overseas.
Of course because they’re not strong enough to fight for their beliefs or some other bullshit. I’ve had someone unironically say Jesus was too soft. They’ve lost the plot.
I say that, but, also, not a Christian.
Jesus should have smited the Romans so hard the Etruscans got resurrected, cmv.
Kinda defeats the entire point of Christianity being about mercy to the sinful if none is shown.
Oh noooo my religion has embraced militant anti-imperialism oh nooooo
Oh nooo my religion that preaches pacifism in the face of literal crucifixion has become militant and I’ve lost the fucking plot oh nooooo
If there’s one thing imperialists can’t deal with it’s their slaves forgiving them and refusing to fight back.
Also known as the No True Scotsman.
Well Evangelists are the people kicking in doors to convert you. Christians are just people who believe in Christian stuff.
A genuine difference.
Would you like to see PEW surveys on how they vote and what opinions they hold about minorities?
Evangelists? Pretty sure I know how they feel about minorities. Surely not far off from Democrats.
Are you? Are you pretty sure about it?
It’s always been funny to me how religious people, who follow their religious doctrine to the gritty details, are called “extremists” when they’re the only ones actually following the doctrine.
You’re either an extremist or a fuckin hypocrite who chooses to cherry pick which parts of the doctrine you choose to follow.
Either way their beliefs mean nothing to me and I’m absolutely fucking sick of hearing about whatever bullshit sky daddy they pray to.
Fundamentalists don’t necessarily follow the tenets of the religion more accurately or thoroughly. They often have their own interpretations others disagree with, and pick and choose what to follow as much as the rest.
So you’re either a hypocrite or a hypocrite.
Either way idgaf about which religion it’s coming from. Religion has done nothing but cause problems in the modern world.
It’s an ancient belief that just like geocentrism should be crushed with realism and scientific facts.
If your beliefs can’t handle being destroyed by facts then they were never true to begin with and you’re just lying to yourself.
(I’m using the royal you. I’m not attacking you personally)
To be fair, if you tried to follow all the rules and teachings of old religions today, you’d definitely be breaking a lot of them just by going about your daily life. If you literally followed all the stuff from the bible, you could end up being punished for even just casually saying the name of another god according to Exodus 23:13 KJV.
I can see why people don’t fully follow every teaching or rule if stuff like that is cannon, but at the same time can somewhat agree religion kinda seems ancient and outdated.
Following a text literally is not the same as following the actual teachings of a religion.
Any “Bible” most of us can read is a revision of a translation of a translation with the additional problem of being coloured by the opinion of whoever had control over subsequent versions. You cannot take it literally. Like, at all.
If you as a translator, publisher, king or whoever had influence over a major revision of “the bible” started out with a phrase to the effect of “you shouldn’t follow other religions’ teachings” and had a particular pet peeve for people speaking of other gods, you could easily arrive at a wording forbidding the “mention of the name of other gods”. I’m not knowledgeable about this in the slightest and cannot make any solid assertions here (though if you look at i.e. the older Wycliff version it sounds a lot less specific) but rather want this to serve as an example for just how much room there is for error in such historical documents.
There is no authoritative and exact source on the beliefs of Christianism as many assume the bible to be.
Systems like Christianity are way too complex, ancient and far removed from modern society - the Ten Commandments were pretty concise, but then there’s so many other ‘do this, don’t do that’ rules and suggestions, in Leviticus for instance, plus then the New Testament which has some things that override the old one. Then it’s tied to this supernatural gibberish and tall tales and legends that barely make sense (Noah’s Ark, for example, or Jesus magically creating food and healing people), plus centuries of rationalizations of the contradictions (Trinity) and additions used to control people (eternal hellfire!). For a book supposedly dictated by a supreme being, the Bible sure could use a damned editor. Probably the whole thing should be scrapped, but newer religions aren’t much better, if at all.
Amen.
True Christians today are socialists. But, they would also reject that label.
Well socialist dictatorship supports at least. Paul was clear that the leadership was ordained by God.
They were not persecuted to any real extent and the few that were was because they weren’t giving sacrifices to the gods. Not because of any moral reason.
You can even see it in the first time a political leader mentions them. He says that he lets them go if they just agree to make an offering. The Romans had zero problems with charity the Romans had zero problems with people being nice. They had a problem with not respecting the gods because they “knew” that if you didn’t bad stuff would happen.
There was no golden age to Christianity that they fell from.