Depends on your POV. My phone is more powerful than the first computers I’ve had.
Thanks to Apple everyone has to take arm processors seriously, since M1 it’s not the “efficient, but shitty” processor, everyone needs to support it.
Phones are slowly getting there. Sure, we’re not seeing 4070 GPU equivalent in the near future. But most people’s computers are really shitty as well, including the low-end gaming computers.
My phone is more powerful than the first computers I’ve had
You mean your present day phone vs your presumably decades old desktop PC? Yeah. Of course. That’s completely meaningless in the real world where time machines don’t exist.
Phones have already replaced PCs for lots of people. 20 years ago almost every household had a desktop but 95% of what was completed on it can now be achieved with a phone, to the extent that plenty of houses don’t even bother with a computer any more.
Eventually the technology gets to a point where it can fill that slot for gaming too, it’ll never replace all of it and specialist equipment will always exist obviously. Most people don’t need to be at the peak of tech though (or even near it) and we already see lots of gaming households who just play switch, which is far below modern capabilities of games.
A phone doesn’t need to be competitive with modern PCs to become a strong option for gaming, the overall technology just needs to get far enough that most don’t notice the improvements you get from specialist equipment like gaming rigs.
It’s the gaming equivalent of earbuds vs a proper sound system. People will always exist that are enthusiasts and can hear the difference, but most of us are happy with a convenient pair of buds to listen to music and podcasts with.
plenty of houses don’t even bother with a computer any more.
You realize you’re making the opposite point of the person you’re trying to defend?
Eventually the technology gets to a point where it can fill that slot for gaming too
No it won’t. There will be a mobile gaming market. And there will be a PC gaming market. And there will be very little overlap between them.
Most people don’t need to be at the peka of tech (or even near it) and we already see lots of gaming households who just play switch, which is far below modern capabilities of games.
And we already see that the PC market greatly surpasses the Switch market, as well as the entirety of the combined console market.
It’s simple physics. A device that fits in your hand will never be as powerful as one that sits on your desk. Regardless of how much technology advanced.
I’m not trying to defend anyone bud I’m just making the points as I see them. How does my comment go against their argument though? PCs have been getting phased out for decades and that’ll continue.
Of course PCs will always be more powerful, but mobiles only need to be powerful ENOUGH (just like the very successful Switch console). I’m saying that eventually both mobiles and PCs will be powerful enough to play games at a quality most will accept, and only the hardcore will feel the need to get the absolute top tier experience, just like audiophiles do already.
Board games once outperformed the entire video games market too, things do change though.
Perfectly happy to admit the worlds best PC will always outstrip the worlds best phone, just like the world best earbuds will never outperform the world’s best speakers, but that’s not relevant to my point at all :) x
I’m not talking about the next 5 or 10 years either mate, I’m talking about 20 or 50 years, assuming society still exists.
And FYI, mobile gaming outstrips PC gaming by revenue already (PC and console combined in fact), you can expect to see it grow (whether for the right or wrong reasons) down the years as the tech allows for more actual “true gaming” options on phones that can be exploited by the corps.
I was making my point in the context of the thread mate. I.e. Will PCs dominate gaming in future? If your only point was that computers are more powerful than mobiles why not make that your response to my first comment? I thought this was a discussion about whether PCs will continue to be as relevant in gaming as they are today, and I don’t think they will.
I guess my point isnt that your original point is wrong, it’s more that it’s not particularly relevant in this instance. And the PoV of the user is far more important (as evidenced by all those switch only gamers).
LOL their entire point was that PCs were popular because “everyone has one”.
Who’s entire point was that…? Because I just read every parent comment to this and it’s not mentioned once, the only point I’m making is that I expect the majority of gaming to be done on mobile in the eventual future.
The world’s best phone will be “outstripped” by a basic desktop costing half the price. Always. Simple physics.
This may be true today, but as PCs become only specialist equipment those basic machines will get rarer and rarer. It also doesn’t matter if the smartphone is capable of playing AAA games at a comparable quality.
Slightly amused by the point you make about mobile/switch revenues… How is it that you can argue the PCs win vs switch because they earn more money, then in the next breath ignore the fact that mobile does that against all other gaming combined?
If your only point was that computers are more powerful than PCs why not make that your response to my first comment?
My guy, you responded to that comment. And you need me to repeat myself? Just read better.
It also doesn’t matter if the smartphone is capable of playing AAA games at a comparable quality.
They’re not going to be able to play them at all, just like they aren’t now.
Don’t know how closely youve been paying attention but games are becoming more demanding, not less. Some of them aren’t even capable of running stably on high end desktop hardware. Modern minimum hardware requirements are insane.
You’re very welcome, although not actually an insult, again I’m just making the point as I see it. This one being that you appear to be an actual child.
I consider failure to make a coherent point an actual failure, so thanks for that :) x
We will never have the same power in a mobile device that we do in a desktop computer.
It’s the same issue with vr. Everything is converging on the quest because it’s easier and cheaper
What? VR has been almost completely stagnant and frankly dying since Alyx. There’s no convergence when there is zero progress overall.
Depends on your POV. My phone is more powerful than the first computers I’ve had.
Thanks to Apple everyone has to take arm processors seriously, since M1 it’s not the “efficient, but shitty” processor, everyone needs to support it.
Phones are slowly getting there. Sure, we’re not seeing 4070 GPU equivalent in the near future. But most people’s computers are really shitty as well, including the low-end gaming computers.
No it sure doesn’t.
You mean your present day phone vs your presumably decades old desktop PC? Yeah. Of course. That’s completely meaningless in the real world where time machines don’t exist.
It really does…
Phones have already replaced PCs for lots of people. 20 years ago almost every household had a desktop but 95% of what was completed on it can now be achieved with a phone, to the extent that plenty of houses don’t even bother with a computer any more.
Eventually the technology gets to a point where it can fill that slot for gaming too, it’ll never replace all of it and specialist equipment will always exist obviously. Most people don’t need to be at the peak of tech though (or even near it) and we already see lots of gaming households who just play switch, which is far below modern capabilities of games.
A phone doesn’t need to be competitive with modern PCs to become a strong option for gaming, the overall technology just needs to get far enough that most don’t notice the improvements you get from specialist equipment like gaming rigs.
It’s the gaming equivalent of earbuds vs a proper sound system. People will always exist that are enthusiasts and can hear the difference, but most of us are happy with a convenient pair of buds to listen to music and podcasts with.
It really doesn’t.
You realize you’re making the opposite point of the person you’re trying to defend?
No it won’t. There will be a mobile gaming market. And there will be a PC gaming market. And there will be very little overlap between them.
And we already see that the PC market greatly surpasses the Switch market, as well as the entirety of the combined console market.
It’s simple physics. A device that fits in your hand will never be as powerful as one that sits on your desk. Regardless of how much technology advanced.
I’m not trying to defend anyone bud I’m just making the points as I see them. How does my comment go against their argument though? PCs have been getting phased out for decades and that’ll continue.
Of course PCs will always be more powerful, but mobiles only need to be powerful ENOUGH (just like the very successful Switch console). I’m saying that eventually both mobiles and PCs will be powerful enough to play games at a quality most will accept, and only the hardcore will feel the need to get the absolute top tier experience, just like audiophiles do already.
Board games once outperformed the entire video games market too, things do change though.
Perfectly happy to admit the worlds best PC will always outstrip the worlds best phone, just like the world best earbuds will never outperform the world’s best speakers, but that’s not relevant to my point at all :) x
I’m not talking about the next 5 or 10 years either mate, I’m talking about 20 or 50 years, assuming society still exists.
And FYI, mobile gaming outstrips PC gaming by revenue already (PC and console combined in fact), you can expect to see it grow (whether for the right or wrong reasons) down the years as the tech allows for more actual “true gaming” options on phones that can be exploited by the corps.
LOL their entire point was that PCs were popular because “everyone has one”.
The world’s best phone will be “outstripped” by a basic desktop costing half the price. Always. Simple physics.
Yes I’m fully aware.
You need to scroll back up and read the comment thread you’re replying to because I think you’re lost:
I was making my point in the context of the thread mate. I.e. Will PCs dominate gaming in future? If your only point was that computers are more powerful than mobiles why not make that your response to my first comment? I thought this was a discussion about whether PCs will continue to be as relevant in gaming as they are today, and I don’t think they will.
I guess my point isnt that your original point is wrong, it’s more that it’s not particularly relevant in this instance. And the PoV of the user is far more important (as evidenced by all those switch only gamers).
Who’s entire point was that…? Because I just read every parent comment to this and it’s not mentioned once, the only point I’m making is that I expect the majority of gaming to be done on mobile in the eventual future.
This may be true today, but as PCs become only specialist equipment those basic machines will get rarer and rarer. It also doesn’t matter if the smartphone is capable of playing AAA games at a comparable quality.
Slightly amused by the point you make about mobile/switch revenues… How is it that you can argue the PCs win vs switch because they earn more money, then in the next breath ignore the fact that mobile does that against all other gaming combined?
My guy, you responded to that comment. And you need me to repeat myself? Just read better.
They’re not going to be able to play them at all, just like they aren’t now.
Don’t know how closely youve been paying attention but games are becoming more demanding, not less. Some of them aren’t even capable of running stably on high end desktop hardware. Modern minimum hardware requirements are insane.
Yeah, it sure does.
Nice comeback
I mean, after your “comeback”, did you really expect more effort from me?
Didn’t expect anything. Wasn’t disappointed.
That makes one of us, I guess.
I think the last time I heard anyone say this sincerely was in school.
Your lack of comprehension is making a little more sense. Thanks mate :) x
I consider personal insults an admission of failure so thanks for that.
You’re very welcome, although not actually an insult, again I’m just making the point as I see it. This one being that you appear to be an actual child.
I consider failure to make a coherent point an actual failure, so thanks for that :) x
Continues laying on personal insults
You’re looking great man, please keep going. Let me grab you a shovel.