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ProTip: you can easily deflate a car’s tires by placing a small pebble in the valve cap before screwing it back on
I used to condone this, but people are stupid and can drive on the flat tire until it explodes, potentially putting other peoples lives at risk.
Not worth it for some petty revenge.
That’s why you gotta do all four.
Can take hours to fully deflate, they could be on the Highway home by the time they go flat enough to be noticeable.
Hmmm you seem to know a little too much about this lol
Maybe I’ve had someone have this happen to them and the tire exploded and hurt an innocent bystander. It’s a large world.
The possibility is there if you think for more than a few seconds on the possible consequences of something.
Or we’re just having a little fun ribbing on the internet?
Didnt need life advice lol but thanks
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You might think that this is clearly a joke. That no one would actually do this. But you don’t know how the people at the other keyboards are going to take it. Case in point.
Must be one them them Beehaw users. /s
I guess you could leave a sticky note on driver’s window that says something like “oopsie woopsie I noticed your tires are deflated, this car is unsafe to drive :(”. Also you could just unscrew the valve core to make sure tires deflate quickly.
No no no, gotta be worse than that. Leave a note apologizing for the damage. There is no damage. They’ll be looking for hours
I had a student do that. Just a post-it note that said “Sorry for the damage :(“. It was a kid that I wouldn’t have expected to play a prank like that, too: very quiet and reserved.
I like it. A note that says, “I thought I could squeeze in but there wasn’t enough room. Sorry about the damage.” Might make them reconsider doing this again.
No, if you do all four insurance will cover it. Only do three.
This is a myth. You can google it if you don’t believe me
If you have comprehensive coverage, this will be covered. If the damage is of less value than your deductible, you won’t receive any money.
I’ve been told if you do all four insurance might be more apt to cover it, best to do one to three of them that way it might not be covered
That’s for knifing. There’s no physical damage here.
You’re right. Better just pull the valve cores so they’re obviously flat.
Direct action person right here… love it.
These people seem to forget the classic FAFO maxim, looks like they need to be reminded.
I keep a few screws in my car to prop up under the tires of people who park like this.
Good way to get shot by the owner
only in murica
You think this vehicle is being driven anywhere else?
i suppose less common in other countries but not non-existent
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Better yet, with a valve core removal tool, you can flatten them all in seconds and make it harder to fix.
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Well, that guy is clearly a massive prick, but let’s also talk about how fucking ugly that truck is. I don’t know when everyone decided that land yacht pickup trucks were the bees knees, but they’re not. They’re just dumb and so. goddamn. ugly.
You mean their Emotiional Support Truck.
Pavement princess
Also partly responsible for an increase in pedestrian fatalities.
There is a lot of anger, frustration, and unacknowledged insecurity going into vehicle purchases in the US.
I agree. The amount of unrequited hate is disturbing.
There is a lot of anger, frustration, and unacknowledged insecurity going in the US.
FTFY
No argument here. The wasteful and dangerous vehicles are just a minor symptom of our cultural issues.
For real dude, there’s no decent sized mid sized pickups anymore. I drove my '99 dodge Dakota forever and loved the size! It even had a V8 compared to most of the newer land yachts with 4 bangers and v6s.
I don’t need a block on wheels, I just need a smaller pickup because I camp and haul shit enough to justify needing one vs a car or suv.
So, I don’t know if it’s still an issue but I know the whole land yacht thing started because of emissions standards. The US used to (they might still) set emissions standards based on wheel base rather than vehicle type. The larger the wheel base the looser the emissions standards. The thought was that vehicles that needed a larger wheelbase like large work trucks would always have higher emissions so they wanted to take that into account. But what actually happened is manufacturers just started making larger and larger vehicles to take advantage of the more lax emissions standards.
I think the wheelbase based emissions standards thing has been fixed now, but I don’t know where I heard that so it might even still be a thing.
If you look at actual comparable bed length and cab type, you realise that outside of height, truck dimensions haven’t increased that much (especially not compared to car sizes, ex.: the mk6 Jetta is the size of the Passat from 10 years prior).
Buy an Aussie import ute. They’re exactly what you want and not common in the US so you have a fashion statement.
Last I’d checked, it was virtually impossible to import non-DOT-approved cars to the US. You basically had to take them apart and then assemble them here as “kit cars” to get around stupid grey market rules.
You can either bring in a 25 year old one, or rebody a local Chevy SS or Pontiac G8 with a ute shell.
I know; it’s so easy it’s a wonder we don’t see more of them!
Haha never seen these things before. Reminds me of an El Camino, but trying to be a sports car instead of America muscle upfront.
Got it in one, they’re an Australian icon. It’s like the reverse mullet of cars, party in the front, business in the back.
I had a 93 v8 5.8L f150 with an extended bed for a few years (until I let my friend borrow it and he… redlined it in first gear instead of putting it into drive, which blew it up 😭).
That thing was a fucking beast man. These new trucks can’t even fit a fucking 2x4 or a sheet of OSB in the bed. They are useless.
That’s why I got the Honda Ridgeline. It is basically a Honda Pilot with a bed. Small by truck standards but is great for someone that just needs to haul stuff in the suburbs and will never take it off-road. I don’t get all the people around here that think they need a lifted full sized truck to drive to work on city streets everyday.
I drove an '04 Dakota for years (last year of that body style before they started making them bigger). Loved that truck, perfect size for camping or hauling band equipment.
Sucks that the mid-sized trucks now are bigger that the full-sized trucks from back then.
Safety regulations has a lot to do with it too. They have to squeeze in airbags and all the safety tech which would leave no room to sit in that older Dakota.
Just check the bed. If there’s a liner, chances are the truck is needed. If it’s clean, it’s a vanity truck.
I own a 350 and am very aware of just how big this truck is. But I do need the pulling power for work related things. I’ve also used it to help people that have broken down.
I haven’t seen a new truck without a bed liner in decades. I apparently thought they were standard equipment.
If you need one, you need one, but I’m confident that a tiny percentage of these things are used for actual work. Also: still ugly. Sorry.
Yeah, not standard. And I guess if they’re that common where you are then check the wear of the liner. Like another commenter said, they get fucked up pretty quickly. It’s easy to tell if a truck is vanity or not just by looking at the bed. I’ve called people out for driving them. It’s especially humiliating for the guys because I’m a woman.
I also appreciate that you’re confident in your assessment without actually talking to any of those people. Assuming just makes an ass out of u and me.
As someone who lives in Texas and every other vehicle in the road is an oversized pickup, fuck em.
They drive worse faster the douchy chargers/mustangs and somehow manage to use their blinker less often than a BMW driver.
I haven’t seen a new truck without a bed liner in decades.
Plenty of 'em out there homie. I bought a used DMax in 2019 and despite being a Denali edition it didn’t come with a bedliner, just a rubber mat for the floor. I should have had one sprayed in when I got the truck because my box is now beat to shit.
I think all the previous owner did with it was tow a horse trailer.
I drive 3/4 or one ton trucks for work. They suck to drive. You feel every bump, they sway on corners or with wind, and parking is a nightmare. I have no idea why somebody would drive them around for vanity.
I piss off my teenage son all the time using the outlander sport I bought for him. For driving around town it’s awesome.
Yeah that sounds about right. My liner is already marked up and I’ve had it since March lol. I haul large items almost daily for work.
So you have it from work and also use it privately?
No, they own the truck for work.
Right. Not wealthy enough to have separate vehicles for personal and work
At least you get to write the cost of your vehicle off on your taxes, unlike everyone else.
My DMax is a pretty truck but the beat to crap box, without bedliner, is under a tonneau cover so you can’t see it. Another thing you can do is check the receiver hitch, if it’s scratched / rusty inside then you know its being used to tow something. 🙂
That would be the US EPA and whomever influenced them in the Carter administration to classify trucks as regulated differently than other passenger vehicles. It unironically financially encourages SUVs over vans and bigger bodied trucks over smaller ones.
It’s killed the work truck, the small truck, and literal pedestrians.
Their intentions were fine at the time and it has resulted in average miles per gallon within their class going way up but it needs to be amended. The shifting of sales eats into any fuel efficiency gains. Regulate them the same as any passenger vehicle and give me my utility back.
I wish small pickups were still a thing
The Maverick is (comparatively) a small modern pickup. It’s the whole reason I chose it. I always wanted a truck, but I absolutely detested how big and inefficient they were, so I never bothered. I had a Maverick come in for a remote start last year and got to look at it and I quite liked it, ended up ordering one of my own that same year.
Ford had new rangers on the lot when I was shopping for my truck
New rangers aren’t that small. I really like the size of old rangers, colarados, Toyota Tacomas. Those were reasonably sized trucks meant for utility. Not for dick swinging contests and skirting EPA regulations.
I found it very small. Smaller than my mid size SUV I was replacing and I couldn’t even get in the driver seat. But obviously ymmv
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Don’t be too hard on them, maybe this was all that was available when they pulled up.
Upvoting for the effort
And so the cycle continues…
When will it end?..
My favorite thing is to just leave a note that says, “I’m sorry about the scratch.”
2nd option: “I saw who broke into your car. Call me at (leave fake #)”
is the rickroll number still operational?
God I hope so, what is it?
basically just a phone number you can call and it autoplays rickroll for you. i don’t have it unfortunately, seen it ages ago and never wrote it down
778-330-2389 if it still works.
There’s these too… The UK one at least doesn’t work.
New Zealand (09) 886 0565, Australia +61 (03) 8652 1453, United Kingdom +44 (117) 325 7425 and US +1 (760) 706 7425.
In the old days, a friend of mine would carry some paper(?) stickers(?) (labels?) that said something like “I park like an asshole” and superglue it to one of the windows of someone parked like this.
If you wanted to be nicer, you could get some proper pre-printed stickers (most online print/sticker shops should have them) and place them. Wouldn’t cause any damage but would maybe make them think about it a little bit.
I also saw a post recently where someone replaced all the tire valve caps with bright orange or pink little dick shaped caps. This would cause more inconvenience and embarrassment, but not be damaging or dangerous.
I knew a guy that had a roll of custom-printed “I park like a jackass” stickers. They weren’t very large – I think they were originaly labels for folders or something.
But they were on tamper-proof stickers, the kind that were metalic and broke into a bunch of tiny pieces when you tried to peel them off.
He’d slap two or three of them on the driver’s side windshield and window out of the main line of sight, but you couldn’t miss them when driving.
They’re a pain in the ass to get off. I know, because he put one on my car that said, “I lick sweaty ballsacks”.
That story took a quick turn haha
Well, is it true at least?
Of course not. If I’m going to gargle nuts, I require them be washed.
That’s very reasonable
Wow what an asshole
Holy shit I just found penis tire caps on AliExpress, definitely buying some lol
Edit: I realized I don’t have the courage to actually do this to someone in public and risk getting caught, so I didn’t end up buying any, but they are readily available from your preferred discount app if anyone else wants to
Upvote for the honesty, rofl.
Haha, nice! Here, I found the post, in the old “R” site. I try to avoid posting stuff from there, but this is in the interest of science: https://i.redd.it/idl8jj50fg6b1.jpg
I guess they were red, not bright orange.
For those with the capacity, they can be printed also. Files are available in the usual places.
There’s also a link to them on thingaverse somewhere if anyone has a 3d printer and wants to make them.
Get the stickers. Faster to apply and less worry about getting caught.
I have an STL somewhere for the penis valve caps.
Place a giant FTP sticker over half their rear license plate.
I’d put the i park like an asshole sign on the rear window where maybe they don’t notice it for a while.
Four of the best parking spots, too, judging by the handicap spaces nearby.
That’s what gets me on these things. If you want to be a dick and make sure your car isn’t hit go park or in the boonis! Nobody goes out there, don’t have to worry about carts, take as many spots as you want! Shoot for a record of you want try to get 6! But why tf are you doing it in close parking spots?
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I’d like to imagine your manager went over to the pretzel place and tossed a bottle of everclear into the deep-fryer to start a fire, instead of just pulling the alarm.
This just reminds me of something out of Better Call Saul for some reason.
Slippin’ Jimmy slipping on wet floors and booze bottles just fell into the fryer!
I can see Jimmy doing this, and putting on some giant grimace for emphasis just as he pulls the lever down.
Or I could see mike doing this casually as fuck just as he walks by the alarm as if it’s nothing.
They’re purposefully doing it to be an ass, taking the close parking spots and causing more inconvenience 8s part of the point.
Yup, pretty much right by the door
You can see on the next line over, there are a ton of empty spots right up front. This is probably some place that’s not open to the public or whatever, or else they just have way more parking spots than they actually need.
I don’t actually mind this IF the person parks in the back of the lot. I get that they don’t want their precious hot wheels monster truck to get dinged, but as long as they park in the back of the lot where there’s no other cars, it’s fine. However, this person is clearly an asshole as there’s handicapped spots next to them, so they’re right up front taking spaces. It should be legal to vandalize their vehicle if a person does this.
Keying this car is a moral imperative.
Ah yes, the Categorical Imperative!
“Key only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time elude pursuement by the law.” - Kant
My philosophy may be a little rusty…
it’s universalizable. I’d be okay with someone keying my car if I purposely parked like an asshole, so it survives the ax murderer paradox
Same here but that sounds about right from what I can remember.
What a rookie. Could’ve taken six by parking sideways
Mildly?
This is what stonetoss fans fap to
Plot twist: he’s literally hiding in the back seat just jackin it
u aint wrong
My move lately has been to stand their windshield wipers up. You’re not doing anything criminally damaging to their vehicle, but in my experience, anyone this self-important will be really bothered by the thought of some random person putting their dirty hands on their precious baby.
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Fuck that; not going to put my own vehicle in the crossfire.
While I normally don’t advocate fucking with another person’s property, keying every single panel of this vehicle is absolutely justifiable in this situation.
If they were disabled spots, I’d agree. I don’t know how many times my disabled ex and I had to park super far away from the grocery store so we could find two spots together to park in so she could use the side ramp because not only did people park in the disabled spots without placards or plates, but they would park half way in the buffer space between spots that’s meant for ramps. And it was Texas, so the cops weren’t exactly interested in helping disabled people. Not that they are anywhere, but especially in super conservative places since many conservatives look at them as a drain on society and a hastle to accommodate.
Was even worse when people would do it when we were in the store even though there was a big warning on the side that said it had a ramp. She had to bang up several car doors with her wheels while trying to jump the side of the ramp with her electric wheelchair. I definitely couldn’t pick the thing up alone, even if I carried her inside first. Usually took at least three people to pick it up totally off the ground. And I couldn’t drive the van without a driver’s seat to pull it out with. It wouldn’t let it move without either the seat installed or the wheelchair locked properly in place, as a safety feature.
I honestly don’t know if this is relevant to the conversation, but in my city in Ohio cops absolutely love finding people parked in handicapped spots. It’s like a sporting event to them, where they compare how many tickets they’ve written for that specific every week. Their other popular contest is people that have children that aren’t in car seats.
Huh. I never thought of giving a fuck about disabled parking spaces as a progressive vs conservative thing. I live in one of the most progressive areas of California and you better bet your buttons you don’t accidentally park on the line next to a disabled space or the striped ramp space next to it. Touching the line is the same as taking the space and the fine is $420, $625 and $825 for your first, second and third offenses.
I don’t know if the cops are so keen on ticketing offenders because they care about access for people with disabilities or they just love that sweet sweet ticket money, but I can’t imagine anyone getting away with that, basically ever.
Yeah, in Texas I never once got a cop to come on the nonemergency line. And the parking enforcement were too busy with the street parking tickets to go to private parking lots. The stores didn’t care either. The first two times we got trapped I got into screaming matches with the store managers who refused to make an announcement to ask people to move. So that’s why she started just not caring about the other people’s cars if there was at least enough room to extend the ramp. The ramp wouldn’t damage the car if it bumped it. It would detect it and fold back. Maybe a little scratch.
Always heard people, including relatives, complaining about there being empty disabled spots when parking was full or bragging about how they used them and never got a ticket or got a doctor to get them permanent plates, etc., when I was a kid. Never realized how shitty it was until I dated her, though. I won’t even get into how much they hated Medicare, Medicaid, social security, or welfare for disabled people, though my ex was a highschool teacher so only had Medicare. A disturbing number of people say disabled people should just be “put out of their misery”, calling them “crippleds” or whatever derogatory name, etc. They don’t see them as human.
But, I live in Seattle now and rarely see the spots full much less people parking over the line.
That’s horrible. I hope your ex migrated away from Texas as well.
Damn that’s crazy. In Ohio it’s a $500 fine. I would think they would jump all over it.
Not really. This guy’s an ass. He’s not harming anyone else’s property, though.
Yeah really, keying the car is a huge overreaction. If you want to fuck with them just surround their car with shopping carts.
This car is a status symbol. It’s completely over dimensioned. It pollutes much more, without any added value in transport, harming air quality (people’s health) and climate, it diminishes other’s views on the road, it diminishes driver’s own view of a child crossing the road, it kills much more easily any unfortunate pedestrian. it’s a very strong statement of “fuck everyone else but me”, damaging this car count as self-defense.
Most people who own pickup trucks actually use the bed of the truck to haul stuff, or to two things with it. If you want a usable truck bed, Toyota is the best, you can lay a full 4x8 sheet of plywood or drywall down in it, most have well wells in them not making it less usable.
Giant SUV’s are the status symbols you think you are referring to.
You pulled that “most” out of your ass. Most don’t use their full-size truck’s capabilities.
Just because you don’t use a truck for it’s full capabilities everyday doesn’t mean you don’t have a valid reason to own it. That argument is ridiculously stupid. I live in the Midwest where you will find the most trucks. I know many truck owners. And almost everyone one of them has a truck to pull a trailer with, be it a boat or an RV. Can some SUVs do that, yes, but not all. And the ones that can, get even worse gas mileage.
With the current climate situation, I’m not so sure some people driving giant inefficient vehicles around all the time because they occasionally haul a boat or RV is a privilege humanity can afford. Rentals are a thing. I’ve never looked it up but I’m sure there’s boat moving services that will move them from marina to marina (or your yard). They’d probably still save money using those services or rentals because of how much cheaper cars generally are (though not all of them, Porsches are also pretty bad for fuel efficiency and are usually even more expensive than a full-size truck, and yes, after learning that I’m not opposed to getting them off the streets too).
I drive a full size truck but mostly because i do not fit in other vehicles being almost 6’8
There is so much anger to unpack here, I don’t even know where to begin. Violence directed behavior such as yours is just the start. In the near future you’d be trying assault people who think differently from you and could potentially kill someone. I think damaging your person before that happens would count as self defense.
It’s such a ridiculous argument that people in the United States driving pickup trucks are solely killing the planet. When it comes to climate damage, it ses to fall exclusively on the west. Not China or India, but exclusively Tundra drivers in the US.
Did I say that? Did I say they’re the only ones? I didn’t. I said that that extra pollution serves no good purpose. It’s for a status symbol and it’s not just in the US. Of course it’s not the only thing killing the planet but it’s the easiest thing to cut, and not even that is being cut.
Many people, myself included, use pickups this size for their livelihood. Mine is purposely modified with a lift and oversized tires for the daily off road use that is required for my work. Contractors use vehicles this size to haul loads of materials, tools, or people to jobsites. If you want to remove all of these vehicles from the road, then tell me what your replacement is. Tell me what I should be driving to get through 2+ feet of snow or 8+ inches of mud to do my job. You seem to want to dictate what other people are allowed to use, so in your infinite wisdom, what is the alternative?
Many maybe, but not most. Full-size trucks should be work only vehicles rather than personal ones. With audits done to ensure some work boss doesn’t just order some for fun when they don’t need them.
If you’re willing to key a truck you’ll soon be a murderer, so I should murder you now just in case
bro get sober the people that you love miss you
Nail under the left rear tire every day. Nails are 3.50 for 100 at current rates. When I did it the truck only took two weeks to switch to street parking at a much lower price point (2.50/100).
I have a stockpile for annoying parkers.
It occurs to me that there are several species of animals that have both claws and anuses, and that like to eat breadcrumbs. They will bring their claws and anuses with them when they partake in a feast and aren’t particularly careful about them.
Permanent markers, grease pens and crayons write on glass. Windshields are made of glass. What a coincidence.
Trucks are generally excessive for most people anyways, them taking up 4 spots only compliments their mentality.
What I don’t get is why they’re built so bulky? It’s not necessary. There’s just a bunch of empty space under the hood.
EPA regulations are designed to encourage better gas mileage, but they are based on vehicle size. So instead of making more fuel efficient engines, auto makers realized they could just make bigger trucks with the same shitty engines to meet the guidelines.
Yeah this is the ridiculous thing about the EPA, we could really use more small trucks but they’re going to have to be electric to get anywhere in the market. With the current footprint based fuel economy standards there’s no incentive to actually build more efficient small trucks.
Yay for government regulation
Most pickups in the size range offer multiple engines, with the bigger engines filling the space.
My f150 does not have much room under the hood, and it’s got the v6 eco line motor.
See that’s the problem with you truck people; a V6 is considered weak in your world.
Meanwhile the V6 in my Genesis Coupe is fast enough to get me to 60 MPH in under 6 seconds. And unlike a truck, it can actually take a corner at speed.
Unless you’re a farmer, there’s no reason to own a truck. I even bought one once to see what the hype was all about; got rid of it after less than a year cause I was sick and tired of getting 18 MPG and not even having fun while doing it. If I’m going to get poor fuel economy, I should at least be able to go fast.
EDIT: I mean I get the “more practical” argument, but let’s be honest with ourselves here: How often do you REALLY use the truck bed? With the money you’re saving in gas by driving something smaller and more economical, you could easily afford to rent a truck each and every time you need to move something. You’re literally spending twice as much as you need to in gas, just for those occasions where you might need to use the bed. A U-Haul is less than $100/day (inc. gas + mileage); you’re spending more than that every time you fill up, when you could be saving over $50 each time at the pump. It’s simple math.
Unless your family was killed by a truck salesman, there’s no reason to hate on truck owners.
What? I never said it was weak. It has a better pulling ability than the v8. You’re just making up fake arguments.
Also, my boat with trailer was 8500 lbs. Nothing but a truck can pull it effectively and safely.
I agree some people by trucks just to say they have one, but a pickup can be incredibly useful if it fits your lifestyle.
I mean you kinda implied it by saying it’s one of the smallest engines for the truck. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
For a huge amount of people they make perfect sense, if you can only have one vehicle and don’t live somewhere where parking is an issue. It really is a all in one vehicle, Haul, tow, people mover (crew cabs) and 4wd for rough weather.
Comparing a sports car to a full size truck is idiotic, its like comparing a road bike to a mountain bike they are just different vehicles.
A van or minivan can do everything a pickup can while being safer, more fuel efficient, and smaller in profile. A van can carry more than a pickup truck can, both in passenger and cargo capacity, especially with the shrinking bed sizes of modern trucks. There is a reason farmers tend to hold on to older trucks. There are very few good reasons to go for a pickup truck over a van for the average person.
What??? I would never load the back of my van with gravel, mulch, top soil. The tractor couldn’t dump it in, and shoveling it out and cleaning it after are no where near the same.
That’s where a pickup truck would indeed come in handy. But you can also just rent one for that purpose instead, or use a trailer.
That’s the problem with you car people, wasteful acceleration and high speed maneuvers are considered important. And unlike a sports car I can actually use my truck to get things done. /s
I guess we live in different worlds 'cause it turns out I need to carry large items or pull a trailer far more often than I find myself needing to take a corner at high speed or floor the gas. Maybe we just have different definitions of utility as I don’t race or run away from things ¯(ツ)/¯
Yeah. So let’s not paint the whole world one color. Just because it doesn’t meet your needs, AND you simply don’t like them, doesn’t mean everyone else needs to be like you.
0 to 60 doesn’t mean shit in a truck. Why did you buy one in the first place? Cornering at speed?? … Not what trucks are meant to do. Why the hell would you buy one??
Glad you like your car. I’m sure it’s nice. If you’re getting 18 MPG, you’ve managed to accomplish what many late model trucks cannot… Get under 20mpg.
Disclosure: I own a 2003 F250. I don’t park like the asshat did in the pic, and I don’t care how fast my truck goes. I don’t roll coal and I run biodiesel to reduce emissions.
People buy the cars they want. Bitching about people car choices is like bitching about people’s food preferences. Putting the blame on people for super poor fuel efficiency standards is sort of more in line, but even then, the people who are supposed to make these changes from DC but fail to do anything keep getting reelected. I wouldn’t want to buy a full sized pickup where I live, because I think it’d be a nightmare trying to park anywhere. But as long as there aren’t extenuating variables (as in the truck pictured in this post), I let people do what they want.
You can be mad at the government’s inaction and the consumers which support the market at the same time.
You can also recognize anger as a destructive emotion and save it for important problems.
Or I can be reasonably scornful at jackasses
surround it with carts
Zip-tie surround it with carts.
