Well not me but my wife is going on a Scandanavian tour + Finland from Korea next week. Is there anything she should know about before going. I’ve been to Europe myself a few times but not the northern part and I’m just worried bout her even though it is relatively safe up there.
That said, anything she should know good or bad? local customs? warnings? tourist traps?
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/BobbyBacala9980 at 2023-07-25 06:55:33+00:00.
Zealousideal-Care903 at 2023-07-25 08:57:53+00:00 ID:
jtd14r8
Swedes don’t like to talk to strangers, neither does Finns
Buppadupp at 2023-07-25 07:17:54+00:00 ID:
jtctlhe
Stay atleast 2 meters away unless it’s the queue to Systembolaget.
bATo76 at 2023-07-25 08:10:06+00:00 ID:
jtcxhnv
I hate that we used to stay further away from each other before the pandemic. The 2 m rule forced us closer together. =(
(Obv. /s)
RiiluTheLizardKing at 2023-07-25 07:11:55+00:00 ID:
jtct59q
Swedes dont like small talk with random strangers, they also dont like random strangers sitting next to them unless every other neighbor-free seat is full, if you end up sitting next to a random swede on the bus or train you should very much keep to your side and avoid eye contact and not try and talk to them.
Sweden has unfortunately gone down the road of “cashless society” so you’re unlikely to be able to pay with cash in restaurants, hotels and such, so you really need a credit card you can use internationally since it’s mostly grocery stores and some street vendors that still accept cash, it’s tragic but true.
Emperor_Owl at 2023-07-25 07:48:55+00:00 ID:
jtcvxb1
How is that tragic? Carrying cash is extremely inconvenient both for stores and people in general
RiiluTheLizardKing at 2023-07-25 07:53:05+00:00 ID:
jtcw8gd
It’s tragic because a lot of people still use cash and it makes it hard for them to function in society, especially migrants who dont have a personnummer yet who literally dont have any other option. Carrying cash isn’t hard, stores make record profits so they can spare the little expense to handle cash, and for people, well no one is forcing anyone to use cash, you can continue using card all you want and never touch a bill again in your life, I just think it was better if it remained a viable alternative to people who prefer to use it.
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 08:40:42+00:00 ID:
jtczqtf
I can understand… moving from Canada to Korea where they are pretty much cashless like Sweden, it felt weird for me. Korea is a pretty intrusive country in my opinion. CCTVs everywhere, need to scam my personal card getting on and off the bus… sounds good for safety but it feels intrusive to know all my spending habits via credit card.
Emikzen at 2023-07-25 10:36:40+00:00 ID:
jtd8n1c
Privacy is a lot more protected and respected in Sweden than it is in Korea.
Snusandfags at 2023-07-25 07:56:38+00:00 ID:
jtcwhwu
My langare doesnt accept AMEX
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 07:37:02+00:00 ID:
jtcv10j
Honestly… everything you said about Swedes holds true for Koreans 100%. lol
Admirable-Athlete-50 at 2023-07-25 09:01:42+00:00 ID:
jtd19v8
Im a swede who spent three weeks in Korea. I felt pretty familiar with most social rules except Koreans are better at handling crowds and standing aside when people enter subways and stuff.
There are some scammy people at tourist destinations but not to the extent of a city like Rome. Most people are helpful, they might notice you looking at a subway map and offer directions which is usually out of a true sense of wanting to help.
enepple at 2023-07-25 07:53:25+00:00 ID:
jtcw9e2
But I feel like this is a bit exaggerated. While what he says is true, I feel like it is mostly how we treat each other in day to day life.
In my experience we do not frown or get annoyed when/if a tourist does it, but we might be a bit caught off guard.
What I’ve heard and read though is that it is very hard to make friends when travelling from abroad, since Swedes are generally very locked in with their current friend-group.
I honestly can’t see much going wrong, especially travelling in a tourist group. I would say that the worst thing you probably will be exposed to is that most of the touristy-areas upscale their prices. No Swede, or at least very few, would actually buy anything in these areas unless necessary. But the prices are generally displayed so there will not be a surprise charge.
Mmm_daifuku at 2023-07-25 08:04:32+00:00 ID:
jtcx2v5
There are more social people in Sweden as well. Stockholm is like that but if you go to smaller cities and the country side, then people are more calm and friendly.
cemilanceata at 2023-07-25 07:31:59+00:00 ID:
jtcunfk
You should be worried, we are the most beautiful people on this earth.
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 07:59:25+00:00 ID:
jtcwpbp
Honestly, I can’t disagree… come World Cup time the Swedish WAGs always get me…
Quick Question: Do Scandanavians share the same ethnicity? I don’t know much about northern Europe. Are they pretty much the same ppl more or less separated by borders?
andre-lll at 2023-07-25 08:06:29+00:00 ID:
jtcx84c
I’d probably say that we are more or less the same people. We all see ourselves as brothers and would fight for each other, same with Finland.
Paws_On_Keyboard at 2023-07-25 08:15:16+00:00 ID:
jtcxv6o
Yes, except the sámi in the north, though they were there before modern borders and cross all three countries. Then of course we have had a lot of immigrants in later years.
TheWolfwiththeDragon at 2023-07-25 08:23:53+00:00 ID:
jtcyije
As a Swede, our sense of ethnicity is much more based on language and nationality. Since Swedes, Danes, Norwegians and Icelandic are all descendants of the same Norse people, we are all very similar. We can also understand each others’ languages fairly well.
The odd one out is Finland, since their linguistic roots are completely different from any other Nordic languages. Swedish is more closely related to Persian or Hindi than it is to Finnish! Despite us being neighbours. But Finland was part of the Swedish empire for 700 years so there has probably been quite some mixing between the two.
There is also the Sami people to the north, which are a semi-nomadic group of people not ethnically or linguistically connected with the Norse. If you ever see reindeer herding while traveling here, it is run by them as that’s their privilege.
BTW, as the term ”Scandivania” is sometimes only used to refer to some of the countries in the region, you could just use the term ”The Nordic countries” to refer to Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland all together. Explanation.
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 08:49:58+00:00 ID:
jtd0f0j
Wow a lot of info to unpack here. I always assumed Finland was apart of Scandanavia until I did research for this trip. Watching that youtube link… thanks!
kadunkulmasolo at 2023-07-25 09:31:17+00:00 ID:
jtd3fsr
No offense or anything but since I have seen you calling it “Scandanavia” several times in this thread (so its unlike to be a typo), I feel like I need to point out that the actual spelling is Scandinavia with an i.
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 10:59:25+00:00 ID:
jtdan47
Duly noted… thanks!
MawrtiniTheGreat at 2023-07-25 11:46:41+00:00 ID:
jtdf6lx
The Finns (and the Sámi) are originally north Siberian nomadic steppe people, originally more culturally similar to say the stereotypical medieval Mongolians than to the old Norse/current Scandinavian cultures. However, thousands of years of proximity and hundreds of years of Swedish rule has brought the Finns culturally a bit closer to the rest of us. The language is still completely different from the Scandinavian languages.
The Sámi are still a lot closer to their original roots, although in a modernised form the last hundred years (less horseback archers, more snowmobiles for herding deer). Here is an example from early 20th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3ASaami_Family_1900.jpg
Rising_Spirit at 2023-07-25 09:55:56+00:00 ID:
jtd5bo6
Finland is similar culturally but not in terms of language
Axxx69420 at 2023-07-25 08:05:46+00:00 ID:
jtcx66g
Yes basically. You won’t notice that much of a difference as a foreigner. There’s just slight differences in culture that you might notice.
gullijan at 2023-07-25 08:06:16+00:00 ID:
jtcx7ji
Yeah, people in Sweden, Norway and Denmark share the same ethnicity. We also understand each others language but I have to say I struggle with Danish (am Swedish).
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 08:42:38+00:00 ID:
jtczvvv
I always assumed that Finland was Scandanavian too… until I googled info on this trip for my wife…
ravyalle at 2023-07-25 08:05:20+00:00 ID:
jtcx4yj
Its pretty much the same ethnicity in northern and central europe but people do look sliiiighly different in different countries, its pretty cool. I for example am from germany originally but always immediatey get spotted because i dont really look like the average swede. We are all caucasian but the faces are different somehow. I have even noticed some differences between eg sweden and denmark
Common-Wish-2227 at 2023-07-25 09:11:11+00:00 ID:
jtd1z1e
We fucking aren’t Caucasians! Please. That entire terminology is bullshit. We’re north Germanic.
EasyLengthWise at 2023-07-25 08:21:44+00:00 ID:
jtcycp8
This guy has been to one country in the world
cemilanceata at 2023-07-25 11:46:39+00:00 ID:
jtdf6g4
I actually prefer a little more flavour myself, but that doesn’t change the fact how we are perceived among the masses.
bruhbruhbruh123466 at 2023-07-25 08:02:20+00:00 ID:
jtcwx32
Stay out of certain areas, look up our “socioeconomic challenged areas”. Basically immigrants ghettos. I don’t know how it is in Korea but just know people aren’t so outwardly warm and friendly as in other countries. We are absolutely friendly but it’s not something we express to strangers without being talked to first.
Again I dont know if you have it in Korea but if you’re going to a really big city watch out for bike lanes where only bicycles go.
If you are out at night it’s not really anything special, stay out of sketchy areas and stick to well populated places. Most Swedes know English pretty well so if you are not staying for long don’t learn like a few Swedish phrases, it’s unnecessary.
Fit-Picture-5096 at 2023-07-25 08:05:53+00:00 ID:
jtcx6il
I recently found some cash in an old jacket. I had to google the bills to see if they still were usable. I haven’t used cash in years.
Vallinen at 2023-07-25 08:59:45+00:00 ID:
jtd1hqq
Local customs: You dont tip at resturants (more common at bars, but there is no tip-culture). Personal space is usually pretty important to Swedes so don’t feel offended if people choose to stand a good distance away when waiting for a buss for example. Also, the queue system is holy. If you cut in line, people might get a bit upset or give you the evil eye.
I’d recommend checking out our historical places, we have a bunch of castles and the like that could be fun. All this depends on where in Sweden you’ll go though as Sweden is a very long county.
Takenoprisonerplease at 2023-07-25 09:23:55+00:00 ID:
jtdhde7
Sweden:
don’t eat in the old town of Stockholm, its crazy expensive.
Card works everywhere
Ask for help if you need, Swedish people are more social than I was told
Finland:
go and sauna in the city of Helsinki, its cultural experience and its really nice when you are too tired to walk around a whole day.
Norway:
Its expensive, but beautiful
It’s generally very safe there, so not much to worry about. If you are planning on doing a lot of hiking in unpopulated areas make sure you do your due diligence. The weather is pretty nice in the summer. Nearly everyone speaks good English, with the exceptions of some older people and those in rural areas. Enjoy your time there, the people are friendly and the land is breathtaking.
steven_hydde at 2023-07-25 08:49:32+00:00 ID:
jtd2xhc
Dont tip in general, we dont want that shit here
Netcher at 2023-07-25 07:56:35+00:00 ID:
jtcwhs7
Some things: Local customs:
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Card is king, cash is almost impossible to pay with, especially in Sweden. Visa or Mastercard is the thing.
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Remove shoes when entering a home. Only barbarians wear shoes inside.
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Personal space is a big thing, keep a respectable distance (about 1 meter) to people you don’t know.
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Sweden is not a tipping-culture really. Often servers will try to milk/scam tourists that it is and that they should tip like in american movies, but that is just the servers being crooks.
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In dealing with Scandinavians on the street/in shops/at attractions, be aware that silence is not always a bad thing. Eye contact, a smile and direct questions/answers are the normal way to communicate with strangers.
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Do Not Haggle. If someone is haggling with you, they are trying to rip you of. Walk away.
Tourist traps:
Stockholm: The Butterfly House / Haga Ocean, lots of advertisements aimed towards tourists but it is about as interesting as a petshop.
Copenhagen: The Little Mermaid / “Den lille Havefrue”, small ugly statue (albeit the park beside it is passingly nice) that for some weird reason is important to Danes. Not worth the time, although, being free it is actually worth the money.
No Go Zone:
Finland: Luotikuja/ “bullet alley”, a 30 meter long street with five bars and a Pizzeria in northern Finland, people from southern Finland (or anywhere else) will not enter it.
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 08:26:44+00:00 ID:
jtcyq45
Remove shoes when entering a home. Only barbarians wear shoes inside.
Growing up in Toronto as a Korean… whenever I went to my white friends house I always wanted to take off my shoes but he’d just always say “leave them on”… I always thought it was barbaric. My shoes were disgusting cause in my opinion. Never understood why Americans/Canadians keep shoes on in the house. I honestly thought it was only Asians who took them off in the house. What other European nations take of their shoes in the house? This is actually news to me…
Sweden is not a tipping-culture really. Often servers will try to milk/scam tourists that it is and that they should tip like in american movies, but that is just the servers being crooks.
Same goes for Finland, Norway and Denmark? No-tipping???
Swordfish_89 at 2023-07-25 12:05:50+00:00 ID:
jtdh95j
I moved to Sweden 22 yrs ago at 33… before then only people with new carpets asked others to remove shoes at the door. I had Swedish friends in UK though so learnt to do it there.
So within months of living here and visiting UK it felt so wrong to have shoes on inside anyone’s home, even my sisters.
My biggest struggle back in UK was no where to site to remove shoes because i have mobility issues, most places here have plenty of space or seating. And years on from carpeted rooms, and seeing what we vacuum up off hard floors without outdoor shoes coming in… OMG, carpets in UK with outdoor shoes must have be so gross! So thankful for hardwood floor and indoor slippers. lol
eric_dh at 2023-07-25 08:47:04+00:00 ID:
jtd07fz
No tipping in Finland.
Kriss0612 at 2023-07-25 08:35:31+00:00 ID:
jtczd79
To my knowledge (and bare in mind Europe is very vast culturally and can be quite different), taking off your shoes when entering a home is standard everywhere in Europe. I couldn’t imagine people in southern Europe sit around on their couch with their shoes on, and I’ve never understood it myself…
Threaditoriale at 2023-07-25 09:16:31+00:00 ID:
jtd2cv6
Old people in southern Sweden (Scania) still wear shoes indoors. I once (when I was newly immigrated) made the mistake of taking off my shoes when entering the home of a neighbour and he snarled at me: »Don’t remove the shoes, we’re not Japanese!«.
This is rapidly dying out, I’d say, but beware that cultural differences between countries and regions in Europe can vary widely on this point.
When in doubt, always remove your shoes in Sweden. Even in some public settings like libraries and offices you remove your shoes. Though, the normal is to wear shoes indoors in any public place.
Butterbubblebutt at 2023-07-25 11:36:39+00:00 ID:
jtde5sf
Not everybody. I live in Scania and the older folks in my extended family always took off their shoes.
Nettoklegi at 2023-07-25 09:28:21+00:00 ID:
jtd381f
Never been to a Swedish library or office where you would take your shoes off (except maybe kindergartens).
Threaditoriale at 2023-07-25 09:45:25+00:00 ID:
jtd4i6u
My current office is shoe free (apart from indoor slippers). I’ve worked in quite many places (Tech) with the same policy.
I’ve been to one library that was shoe free, at least during winter. It was a bit of a surprise to me. Also, the children’s clinic at the local hospital is shoe free.
Nettoklegi at 2023-07-25 09:47:09+00:00 ID:
jtd4myy
Well, actually, just realised my physiotherapist has the same policy as do most training centres.
Swordfish_89 at 2023-07-25 12:11:40+00:00 ID:
jtdhwlr
My partners office job involves special indoor shoes, regardless of building type.
He started in a modern building, now works and walks through marble floored town hall daily. Our library is fine, but the upstairs rooms to loan usually have the people’s shoes piled up inside the doors.
Follow the lead of the people that you are visiting, if they remove shoes then do the same!
Even contractors used to do the same, a plumber removing boots at front door seemed funny 20 yrs ago, now it seems rude if they don’t when they come up to check what tools or part he needs to go off and collect.
eolisk at 2023-07-25 08:55:30+00:00 ID:
jtd0trr
No tipping anywhere in Europe.
isetnt at 2023-07-25 09:19:46+00:00 ID:
jtd2li8
Wearing shoes indoors is a big no no in most of Europe, except maybe big parties where you go in and out a lot
Grayseal at 2023-07-25 12:35:49+00:00 ID:
jtdknwl
The only instance where you tip is when the tab is 780:- and you want to round it up to 800:-, et cetera. Assume that the restaurant/bar staff are already being paid. Avoid tipping more than 20-30:-.
MagzyMegastar at 2023-07-25 09:51:12+00:00 ID:
jtd4yb6
Taking of the shoes when entering a private home is the norm also in Norway. However, there is one particular place were this is taken to the “next level”. In the city Longyearbyen on Svalbard (not the mainland Norway), the local tradition is to take off your shoes also when entering hotels, office buildings, museums etc. The reason for this being that historically there were coal mines near the city, and to avoid dragging coal dust into the buildings, people left their shoes at the door, and this is now the local practice in this particular city.
manInTheWoods at 2023-07-25 09:26:47+00:00 ID:
jtd341b
In Sweden, you can tip 3-5% in a nice sit down resturant if yuou like. Many people do, and have been doing that since as long as I can remember. It’s not somethig new.
Apart from that, taxis were common to tip also but now they just scam you anayways so don’t do it. :)
DursueBlint at 2023-07-25 09:41:06+00:00 ID:
jtd46cq
Well the previous comment may be a bit too much with the barbarian comment. The no shoes inside is a side effect of homes having gotten far better heating in the last 20 years. Before that though it was common for people to switch to inside shoes when coming home and it is still practiced in a lot of schools as a way to keep costs down. The cultural differences are honestly quite interesting. With Korea I wonder if it is due to korean homes traditionally having floor with heated vents beneath.
Common-Wish-2227 at 2023-07-25 08:47:39+00:00 ID:
jtd08x6
No tipping.
BloodyHellBish at 2023-07-25 08:42:18+00:00 ID:
jtczv1e
Tipping culture isn’t really a thing here since servers make liveable wages.
I can only speak for sweden, but I suspect the same goes for all of Scandinavia since we’ve all had large workers rights movements.
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 08:59:02+00:00 ID:
jtd12ws
servers make liveable wages.
what’s a liveable wage for a server? and minimum wage in Sweden?
Lokecrafter at 2023-07-25 09:27:43+00:00 ID:
jtd2ix5
There is no minimum wage supported by law here in Sweden. All that is done by workers unions who define minimum and recommended wage based on your age and experience. With that said according to Framtid.se the average salary before taxes of a server is 27 300 SEK.
moistbagofdicks at 2023-07-25 09:19:52+00:00 ID:
jtd2lt1
Sweden doesn’t have a set legal minimun wage, but instead rely on sector and industry agreements through collective bargaining which effectively sets a minimum wage. The mean wage of a server today seems to be about 27k swedish per month, so about 3.4k CAD if I am looking at this correctly. Young people under 20 might make quite a bit less though due to said agreements.
Edit: I dont know the industry but from what I can find the minimum wage for restaurants is about 25k SEK per month. Dont forget to account for different cost of living between here and Canada/Korea.
Threaditoriale at 2023-07-25 09:18:47+00:00 ID:
jtd36rq
There is no legal minimum wage. It also varies from region to region. Wages in the three capitals can be nearly double that of the country side. But housing costs are even higher, on the other hand.
But typically no-one is paid less than 20k SEK per month in Sweden for a full time job, which means around 16k after taxes. Mind you, there is universal health care and free education including universities, so 15–18k per month goes quite a long way. Rent for a small apartment is usually around 5k and food costs for one person is typically 2–5k depending on culinary skills and diet.
LumberJackPanda_13 at 2023-07-25 09:15:16+00:00 ID:
jtd29jc
There is no minimum wage in Sweden but the average salary of a server in Sweden is 27000kr
BobbyBacala9980 (OP) at 2023-07-25 10:53:08+00:00 ID:
jtda2yn
How does anyone survive on 2500 USD a year… or are you talkin bout monthly?
Edit: nvd… someone said monthly… salary is usually annually so i thought it was for the whole year which didnt make sense
borickard at 2023-07-25 16:28:26+00:00 ID:
jteigoz
We always talk about income on a monthly basis if not explicitly mentioned. 🙂
Klagaren at 2023-07-25 11:09:25+00:00 ID:
jtdbjvb
Oh yeah wages are usually expressed as monthly here, that’s another difference haha
cedric3107 at 2023-07-25 09:16:54+00:00 ID:
jtd2dwf
No minimum wage in Sweden. Unions negotiate a common contract for most major industries. Restaurants actually have a rather bad one, but still very liveable.
lyckoslanten at 2023-07-25 09:12:43+00:00 ID:
jtd22zm
Sweden has no minimum wage.
A quick google says the average wage for male servers is 27500 SEK and for female servers it’s 26500 SEK.
appalachianmonkeh at 2023-07-25 09:27:51+00:00 ID:
jtd46t0
I disagree with that Sweden has a no tipping culture. Sure, waiters do have a livable wage and unions that up the lowest standard. You’d never be expected to tip at a café or a fast-food place, but you’re certainly expected to tip if you’re going to a more proper restaurant. Not giving a tip at all in a place like that would mean that you’re implying they gave you bad service. You’ll however never be expected to leave the tip in cash. When they expect a tip you’ll be able to enter “the total amount to pay” when you’re paying with card, i.e. the amount you owe for food and the amount you want to tip on top of that
Arkeolog at 2023-07-25 10:27:42+00:00 ID:
jtd7w76
Yeah, my mom was a waitress when I was a kid (‘80s and early ‘90s) and she instilled in me that at a sit down restaurant ~10% tip is customary unless the service is really bad. But I’ve noticed that a lot of people around my age and younger don’t tip at all or are very unsure about whether to tip or not.
TheSwedishTitty at 2023-07-25 09:55:21+00:00 ID:
jtd5a11
If you sit down and have dinner for example, it’s polite to tip the server if they’ve been good! But 10-20% is not necessary :) /server in stockholm
Thaeeri at 2023-07-25 13:36:02+00:00 ID:
jtdsbhh
In Sweden we often do tip a little bit if the service at a restaurant was really good, but usually by simply rounding up and not more than 5-10%. But no one will give you the stink eye if you don’t, it’s simply seen as a nice bonus when a patron does.
We never tip at coffee shops, hair salons or hotels. Some tip taxi drivers, but it’s way more uncommon than in restaurants.
s-maerken at 2023-07-25 09:09:28+00:00 ID:
jtd1ugu
Same goes for Finland, Norway and Denmark? No-tipping???
Tipping is not a thing here and we don’t want it to be, so don’t tip. If you tip you’re only encouraging the tipping culture to grow which nobody wants. You might think you’re being nice when you tip here but in reality you’re just ruining the non-tipping culture we have.
If you’re hellbent on tipping, don’t tip something ridiculous like 25% of the total. If I am ever pressured to tip, I tip a few SEK, maybe 20 SEK regardless of total.
Gregs_Mom at 2023-07-25 16:45:19+00:00 ID:
jtel632
It’s fine to tip if you thought that the service was great and you can tip however much you’d like.
We don’t want it to be a standard or expected
artonion at 2023-07-25 10:28:00+00:00 ID:
jtd7x2q
I work in service. Do not tip. There’s no need. Tipping is “optional” but it’s not expected. If you ever feel insecure about it, just inform them “My Swedish friends said I’m not expected to tip, is that not the case?”. The Nordic countries are already quite expensive, you don’t need to pay extra just because you are a tourist.
Rapustaja at 2023-07-25 08:38:58+00:00 ID:
jtczm9v
Fin and Swe here, we tip in fine dining restaurants where you had a waiter, unless the service was bad. The staff do not need the tips, but the money goes to staff parties or gifts to the staff (kitchen also) so I always feel good tipping if the food/service was nice
PrinceOfFucking at 2023-07-25 08:44:49+00:00 ID:
jtd01j6
Many restaurants will subtly ask for tips by letting you Enter the tip amount when paying, the workers ofcourse get a real salary (but not that much) so the tips are just extra, OP exaggerated a bit with them being crooks
If you think the food and service was really good you can tip them as you like, but its not at all as in like the US
Keffpie at 2023-07-25 08:47:01+00:00 ID:
jtd07a5
Not totally true, it’s common to “round up” at bars, so if a drink is 96kr, you’d pay 100kr. At a restaurant, good service usually gets a 5% - 10% tip.
That said, recently a lot of places has bought card payment machines with American software that asks whether you want to tip 10, 15 or 20%… but this is sort of a scam by restaurants trying to get people to start tipping more.
eolisk at 2023-07-25 08:56:41+00:00 ID:
jtd0wqe
No don’t introduce a stupid tipping culture! I’ve never rounded up or tipped for good service, nor have anyone I know of 🤷🏼♀️
Apemanstrong at 2023-07-25 11:11:54+00:00 ID:
jtdbs7j
Most of my friends and family will tip for great service. It is not uncommon.
V_VIX_X at 2023-07-25 10:00:28+00:00 ID:
jtd5oez
Never rounded up or tipped anywhere, closest thing I’ve experienced was one bar that a big funnel on a wall where you could toss yourself or hand unwanted coins to the bar staff so they’d toss it in but that was only if people felt like getting rid of some change they didn’t want to carry around.
RoundishWaterfall at 2023-07-25 09:05:14+00:00 ID:
jtd1j13
Please don’t tip man.
Netcher at 2023-07-25 09:31:53+00:00 ID:
jtd3hce
Yes, no tipping. Now, you can tip (but please don’t, we do not want that shit here), it is not illegal, it is just not something you really do.
The servers (and the rest of the personnel) are payed wages for their work. You do not pay them a second time, you already pays for their service with the bill. The pay is around 2700Euros/month
… now, there are a few underlying cultural norms here that are fairly complicated. Think of it like this; It’s a very strict honor-culture (Not that any Scandinavian would use those words). The honorable thing in this case is to pay exactly the right amount and to each equally. The amount is pre-negotiated and before you order, you know what you are going to pay at the end. Some might reason “But I want them to like me and treat me really well, so I’ll pay them extra.” That is a dishonorable thing to do. It is bribery, exchanging wealth for special treatment. That i a bad thing.
The weird honor spills over into alot of things, For example; Scandinavians tends to refrain from lavish gifts, the honorable way is to only give what the receiver can reciprocate in some way. Buy a friend a glas of wine = Nice Gesture BUT Insist on always paying the tab = Not okay.
Apemanstrong at 2023-07-25 11:11:02+00:00 ID:
jtdbpam
Damn! Are you even Swedish? Or are you just different? I will happily tip for great service, and most of my friends do so too. It is not bribery. Yes, servers have a decent wage. But they also work their asses off, and do take a lot of shit from guest.
What you are stating here is your own opinion, and not something that is agreed among Swedes.
IcyHedgehog1549 at 2023-07-25 12:10:14+00:00 ID:
jtdhqqm
That’s the dumbest thing I heard. And trust me, not a lot of ppl would work as a server if you did not get tip. It is not worth it.
Drahy at 2023-07-25 08:57:37+00:00 ID:
jtcz47r
The Little Mermaid statue might be small (human scale) but it’s quite beautiful and sweet like a fairytale.
Other-Tap-4681 at 2023-07-25 08:03:33+00:00 ID:
jtd3dvn
This is such bullshit when It comes to tipping. I’m a student in Sweden and have been working as a server at a restaurant/bar and the wage is OK ish. With the tip it becomes a decent wage, since there is next to no OB pay (working late hours extra payment). If you feel you got good service you should definitely tip atleast 5-10%.
Threin at 2023-07-25 10:06:42+00:00 ID:
jtd66j5
No tipping
Melonskal at 2023-07-25 10:02:25+00:00 ID:
jtd5u5a
That’s your employers fault not the customers.
Elmakkogrande at 2023-07-25 08:03:33+00:00 ID:
jtcx09l
Gratulerar på tårtdagen 🍰
Zvenc at 2023-07-25 08:03:33+00:00 ID:
jtddwsm
I have never in my life seen or heard any waiter/server trying to get a tip from anyone, it must only happen in Stockholm and Göteborg then
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KaffeMumrik at 2023-07-25 08:08:31+00:00 ID:
jtcxdi6
Respect. Lines. And. Queues.
FHmange at 2023-07-25 12:34:09+00:00 ID:
jtdnfhd
Also, let people get off the metro/tram/train/elevator etc before you try to get on. And when you let people get off, step away so you stand to the side of the doors. Don’t just stand right in front of them.
And on escalators you stand still on the right and walk on the left. And you don’t stand two people beside each other, even if you’re a couple or whatever. You never stand still on the left (assuming the escalator isn’t empty).
And when you go through the ticket gate in the subway for example, don’t stop immediately after you’re through to figure out where you are going. Take a few more steps so people behind you can get past. And have the ticket readily available before you step up to the gate; don’t go up to it and then start looking for your ticket, causing an unnecessary line behind you.
This is all unfortunately something that even many locals need to be reminded of every day.
Krongsky at 2023-07-25 13:59:54+00:00 ID:
jtdvlvk
I think south Koreans are waaay better at this stuff than Scandinavians, I’ve never felt crowded or uncomfortable even in the rush hours when I’ve been in South Korea or Japan. In a bus in Norway or Sweden, however, it can become completely chaotic by comparison (even though us Nordics are quite well organised people). But yes, it’s a good point, especially if we’re talking spanish, german or american tourists
dscDropper at 2023-07-25 15:49:08+00:00 ID:
jtec7rm
My experience from travelling in Korea is that people over there have great public transport etiquette:)
Comprehensive-Bee252 at 2023-07-25 10:14:37+00:00 ID:
jtd6tiq
Coming from S Korea I don’t this will be a problem!
Flesh-God at 2023-07-25 07:52:51+00:00 ID:
jtcw7ud
Many stores don’t take cash, just straight won’t so a card is a necessity. Or you won’t be able to buy things, at least not in Stockholm.
eloktro at 2023-07-25 08:28:28+00:00 ID:
jtcyulo
Convenience stores, supermarket and such does not sell alcohol above 3.5%.
If you want to buy alcohol (outside of a restaurant or bar) you need to go to Systembolaget which isn’t open on sundays and closes early on saturdays.
(This is Sweden)
Low_Key_Giraffe at 2023-07-25 11:36:19+00:00 ID:
jtdexpg
If your in Gothenburg, by all means avoid the (previously) white hatted people, also known as the ticket controllers. I do not care if you have actually bought a ticket, per principle you leave the tram when they enter.