• DessertStorms@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    You “disagreeing” (more like maintaining cognitive dissonance, and clearly not reading the links, especially the last one) doesn’t make it any less ableism. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    E: also - ableism isn’t some thought experiment for you to “test out” your debating skills on, it’s an actual form of oppression that affects billions globally, and it feeds on deep rooted smug and dismissive attitudes like yours.

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      1 year ago

      Kay, from now on, I’m ableist. I’ll also block you, so I don’t see your ramblings anymore.

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      Yeah, after reading through, those articles equally contain cognitive dissonance. From how I read it, it’s ableist to insult intelligence because intelligence is primarily a proxy to insult mentally handicapped people, and because its criteria are largely arbitrary.

      What about doing something unwise? Touching a hot stove, poking a bear, trying to jump across a wide gap you’re not sure you can make it over, these are not good ideas. The thing is: the criteria for what is “wise” is equally arbitrary! The arbitrariness of a socially-constructed idea are less important than how important the cultural zeitgeist deems the idea to be. Most socially constructed ideas have arbitrary criteria because their definitions are not strict, that alone is not enough to dismiss them outright. Their harm to the mentally handicapped could be, but I see this as a red herring to solving that problem.

      Policing the language used won’t prevent them from being insulted for being mentally handicapped. People will just make up new terms, as has happened time and time again. If it becomes blasphemous to insult intelligence, another proxy for it will appear, and that will be insulted instead. They’ll insult the unwise, the foolish, the unprepared, etc. In my opinion, the attempt to stamp out ableism as you’ve described it is a thinly-veiled attempt to try to prevent people from insulting each other at all, which, while morally virtuous, is rather naïve.

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      1 year ago

      So the suggestion would be to just declare that someone is perpetually wrong and misinformed and will never improve? Lol

      Seems like dancing around the topic.