Allies of President Biden are stepping up calls for Democrats to rally around the president following negative commentary and splits from inside the party over whether he should forgo reelection. F…
It’s all over the 'net for at least a decade and a half. And these types are well known for checking out when their special candidate was not selected (see: some of the “bernie bros”) for the general, and then actively work against the party, or tell everyone to vote for Jill Stein or some other destructive type of behavior…
Note, this is a sombunall kind of thing - not all people that wanted bernie then later work against the party. Just like the PUMAs did not do this. Some people might call me a bernie bro or a purity pony as I’d much rather the party was more progressive, but that would be an incorrect usage.
It’s all over the 'net for at least a decade and a half.
First I heard it was you using it in as many comments as possible in this thread.
not all people that wanted bernie then later work against the party. Just like the PUMAs did not do this.
As a matter of fact, the latter worked against the party in greater proportion than the former. And Sanders’ supporters didn’t form a PAC to fundraise for the Republican candidate. Clinton’s supporters did exactly that in 2008. And then turned around and screamed at everyone to vote blue no matter who.
Well, I don’t think the worst behaviors of PUMAs was the least bit helpful, either. Any more than the dumbest of the Bernie Bros (even though I’d much rather have Bernie in there than either Obama, Clinton, or Biden)…trying to put a stick in the spokes of the party because the front runner was not your personal choice is just so unhelpful.
You do realise that if more people would have voted for democrats, student loan loan forgivness would have been granted?
But yeah, a society without any social safety net, without rights for minorities, with a stupid state religion and 1000 other horrible things is just as bad as people who in the best case change things and worst case don’t make the US worse.
Shit, if more people voted in the primaries Bernie would have had a stronger hand to negotiate policy if not having been the nominee either time.
But these fucksticks have the gall to wonder why people who aren’t them are not voting the way they would for them.
Millennials and Gen Z could be dominating the primary process and yet underperform their share of the overall population, let alone the share they could easily take up in the democratic party if they didn’t have to be dragged kicking and screaming to mark some squares on a ballot.
37.06% of voting age population turned out to the 2022 gubernatorial election if 4% more voters that would have voted democrat would have turned up, Texas would now have a democratic governor, but sure you don’t have any power.
If you vote and enough others can get out there and vote you can change a state but if you just sit home and do nothing, nothing will happen.
Great. I already vote in every election and primary. In the primaries, party leadership heavily supports anti-choice anti-labor pro-nra candidates like Cuellar. When their efforts to shut progressives out at the primary level fail, they pull the rug out from under them by withholding funding like they did with Vallejo.
Don’t lecture me for not being as happy as you are with a party that fights progressives and not Republicans.
Have you tried becoming a State Delegate and influencing the Party Chair? That’s a way to influence who gets to decide about supporting whom, isn’t it?
No I can’t. But you can’t prove that they wouldn’t either.
With more democrats DC could be a state for example (Biden approves of that), abortian access could be written in law and student loans could be partially forgiven.
But unless you vote, we will never know.
What I know is that Biden DID something about student loans though. For example there is a new repayment plan that does not allow any interest and therefore allows to actually pay off your student loans.
But yeah, that’s probably norhing acording to you.
It will be so much worse under fascism. You might not be wild about Biden but if the alternative is fascism…when you say let it burn, that means a lot - and I mean a lot - of people will be harmed, most likely including you.
Not getting student loan relief is a maintaining of the status quo, not a “hellish dictatorship”. In fact, having the Congress and Courts strike down student loan relief is the POLAR OPPOSITE of a dictatorship.
Reason number 1: You don’t want to live in a hellish dictatorship.
You have two options here: vote for an old guy who did some good stuff or actively or passively vote for fascism.
Yeah, but he’s old, and he’s not the purity pony that I wanted!!!
So…both sides are just as bad! Let it burn!
/s
You’re really trying to make this a thing, aren’t you?
No, it’s already “a thing”.
Cool. Who else is using such a stupid childish moniker for voters that Democrats need but would rather insult?
It’s all over the 'net for at least a decade and a half. And these types are well known for checking out when their special candidate was not selected (see: some of the “bernie bros”) for the general, and then actively work against the party, or tell everyone to vote for Jill Stein or some other destructive type of behavior…
Note, this is a sombunall kind of thing - not all people that wanted bernie then later work against the party. Just like the PUMAs did not do this. Some people might call me a bernie bro or a purity pony as I’d much rather the party was more progressive, but that would be an incorrect usage.
First I heard it was you using it in as many comments as possible in this thread.
As a matter of fact, the latter worked against the party in greater proportion than the former. And Sanders’ supporters didn’t form a PAC to fundraise for the Republican candidate. Clinton’s supporters did exactly that in 2008. And then turned around and screamed at everyone to vote blue no matter who.
Well, I don’t think the worst behaviors of PUMAs was the least bit helpful, either. Any more than the dumbest of the Bernie Bros (even though I’d much rather have Bernie in there than either Obama, Clinton, or Biden)…trying to put a stick in the spokes of the party because the front runner was not your personal choice is just so unhelpful.
And I think “Party Unity My Ass” followed by “vote blue no matter who” is the absolute height of hypocrisy.
I expect to have more than two options on my ballot.
Then vote for people who think the same or if you live in a state that allows the population to introduce laws start that process.
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You do realise that if more people would have voted for democrats, student loan loan forgivness would have been granted?
But yeah, a society without any social safety net, without rights for minorities, with a stupid state religion and 1000 other horrible things is just as bad as people who in the best case change things and worst case don’t make the US worse.
Shit, if more people voted in the primaries Bernie would have had a stronger hand to negotiate policy if not having been the nominee either time.
But these fucksticks have the gall to wonder why people who aren’t them are not voting the way they would for them.
Millennials and Gen Z could be dominating the primary process and yet underperform their share of the overall population, let alone the share they could easily take up in the democratic party if they didn’t have to be dragged kicking and screaming to mark some squares on a ballot.
Oh come on. They would do what they always fucking do. They’d find just enough no votes.
Then vote them out in the next primaries or unionize and strike. You have more power than you think.
I’m in Texas. Don’t lie to me.
37.06% of voting age population turned out to the 2022 gubernatorial election if 4% more voters that would have voted democrat would have turned up, Texas would now have a democratic governor, but sure you don’t have any power.
If you vote and enough others can get out there and vote you can change a state but if you just sit home and do nothing, nothing will happen.
Great. I already vote in every election and primary. In the primaries, party leadership heavily supports anti-choice anti-labor pro-nra candidates like Cuellar. When their efforts to shut progressives out at the primary level fail, they pull the rug out from under them by withholding funding like they did with Vallejo.
Don’t lecture me for not being as happy as you are with a party that fights progressives and not Republicans.
Have you tried becoming a State Delegate and influencing the Party Chair? That’s a way to influence who gets to decide about supporting whom, isn’t it?
you can’t prove that.
No I can’t. But you can’t prove that they wouldn’t either.
With more democrats DC could be a state for example (Biden approves of that), abortian access could be written in law and student loans could be partially forgiven.
But unless you vote, we will never know.
What I know is that Biden DID something about student loans though. For example there is a new repayment plan that does not allow any interest and therefore allows to actually pay off your student loans.
But yeah, that’s probably norhing acording to you.
It will be so much worse under fascism. You might not be wild about Biden but if the alternative is fascism…when you say let it burn, that means a lot - and I mean a lot - of people will be harmed, most likely including you.
I think Biden is a fascist.
Ever heard of Hitler or Mussolini? You should read up on them and then consider your words again.
Mussolini is exactly who I was thinking of.
Oh boy! What kind of stuff did you take to think that Biden is comparable to a treacherous mass-murderer with a god complex?
Not getting student loan relief is a maintaining of the status quo, not a “hellish dictatorship”. In fact, having the Congress and Courts strike down student loan relief is the POLAR OPPOSITE of a dictatorship.
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A lot of it isn’t what people are smart enough to do, lots of people get tricked into loans they can’t pay back.
When our kid went to college, 3 separate schools wanted us taking out loans of $56,000 a year… $224,000 for a 4 year degree…
We told them “Yeah, no…” and enrolled him at a state school for $10K a year, where he had a $5k per year scholarship. I paid the remaining $5K cash.
But I could see other parents, after getting 3 schools telling them the same oddly specific number “Well, I guess that’s what school costs!”
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