Hello, Protestant German here. I’m hearing a lot about the infamous Quran burnings in Sweden, and find it very strange. To me it’s fighting fire with fire, and as Muslims are very religious I can imagine it hurts them a lot.
Can someone help me understand how this makes sense?
Maybe I don’t have the full picture. Thank you!
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/Haidenai at 2023-07-20 10:33:35+00:00.
broblackheim at 2023-07-20 14:41:05+00:00 ID:
jsqgb3wAppreciate your response.
I do not agree about religion being exempt from hatespeech as it is so closely embedded with culture, identity and tradition.
The world is shrinking and we must find ways to coexist, and in our part of the world we have all the means and ability. It is easier for us to stop burning books that it is for muslims (at this point in time and history) to stop being insulted and upset about their holy symbol being destroyed for us to prove a point.
I do not think this is pragmatic at all. And as I said, Finland among others are just as free and open a society while also at this point in human history stopping hatespeech against muslims in that manner. Just my thoughts.
FritzKubrick at 2023-07-20 14:48:59+00:00 ID:
jsqhi3kHave many of the religious will have to get upset for you to wanna ban stuff? Banning gays and shott skirts upsets quite a few. Why not ban that too?
broblackheim at 2023-07-20 14:52:10+00:00 ID:
jsqhzokBurning religious books to prove a point is not the same as free sexuality or dresscode. Freedom to do one thing is not the equivalent of a freedom to do another. I think you know this too.
FritzKubrick at 2023-07-20 15:46:42+00:00 ID:
jsqql4cYou said this:
”I do not agree about religion being exempt from hatespeech as it is so closely embedded with culture, identity and tradition.”
I’m saying:
Where do you draw the line about hate speech towards religion? (We already have laws about hate speech towards muslims) You can’t legislate about actions towards a religion especially when you’re burning your own property.
”The world is shrinking and we must find ways to coexist, and in our part of the world we have all the means and ability. It is easier for us to stop burning books that it is for muslims (at this point in time and history) to stop being insulted and upset about their holy symbol being destroyed for us to prove a point.”
I’m saying that many muslims are mad about certain things that come about as a result of a liberal democracy; why stop at their book?
”I do not think this is pragmatic at all. And as I said, Finland among others are just as free and open a society while also at this point in human history stopping hatespeech against muslims in that manner. Just my thoughts.”
Sweden removed this law in 1970 because we had come a truly secular nation. We didn’t know a few decades later there would be a sizeable minority wanted to change that. Finland never got around removing the law of blasphemy which is a horrible notion.
Pherion93 at 2023-07-20 15:02:54+00:00 ID:
jsqjnpcThe problem isnt really if this is pragmatic or not. I agree that the burnings is probably not the best strategy to convert extremists. However Im strongly against stopping the burnings even if I think we should do something ells. I dont think we should make laws that only makes kinda sense in one situation in a specific time, especially concidering we have a stupid dance law that I think is still in effect.
broblackheim at 2023-07-20 15:12:31+00:00 ID:
jsql57zPerhaps not hard legislation but I think something has to and will be done now that large businesses and embassies are being thrown out, shut down or threatened. I think it becomes a question of pragmatism and peacefully getting along with business and sharing this tiny moat of dust we live on, to use those winged words