Hello, Protestant German here. I’m hearing a lot about the infamous Quran burnings in Sweden, and find it very strange. To me it’s fighting fire with fire, and as Muslims are very religious I can imagine it hurts them a lot.
Can someone help me understand how this makes sense?
Maybe I don’t have the full picture. Thank you!
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/Haidenai at 2023-07-20 10:33:35+00:00.
broblackheim at 2023-07-20 14:30:49+00:00 ID:
jsqer8oI agreed in part, but mostly I see idealism here. This is not a pragmatic stance for me to say that they must stop being upset. How? How does a wartorn, traumatised and pretty poorly educated people like the working class of Iraq just stop being upset? To be as composed and calculating and idealist as we are in this part of the world you need a living standard and safety, let alone peace.
And how is it not our problem when our laws invite these problems within our borders?
I do not agree that other democracies that eschew these principles are wrong. They have a clause against hatespeech to make sure that cultures more easily can coexist, because they accept our differences and opportunities better.
TaleIll8006 at 2023-07-20 17:29:14+00:00 ID:
jsr7908I actually do think that at some point people will stop being upset. I think the reason the reaction is so strong is because it’s quite shocking it’s shocking because it’s not common, or rather wasn’t common. If they see this happening more, and people keep throwing tantrums, if it becomes clear that tantrums will not change the laws of other countries, the result will likely be that they will stop the violent reactions and pretend that the violence never happened.
I think what will cause this change i attitude is pride, if they realize their reactions are impotent, the reactions themselves become shameful and will further expose their impotence, and in turn, only reflect poorly on the tantrumers.
To save face one will pick some new thing to be upset about and pretend like no one was really upset about the first thing, or at least not as upset as they actually were.
Maybe I am naive, but save for something truly terrible happening I believe this is a feasible outcome, just like we see in the west where for example the “goalpost” has moved from homo marriage to trans issues, as one became an obvious lost cause.
Very few people will today stick to the anti-gay stance that was popular before, and many will not even admit they held it.
AttTankaRattArStorre at 2023-07-20 14:43:20+00:00 ID:
jsqgnfsPragmatism in the face of religious fanaticism is a ticket to a ride that will end up in a society more akin to that of Iraq than that of a free and liberal democracy. Some things we just can’t tolerate, and eroding the scope of our freedom of speech in favor of religious oppression is 100% worse than whatever the poor working class people of Iraq can do unto us.
A single life is not more important than the basic tenets of our society (not even 10 or 20 lives), we fought bloody wars with tens of thousands of casualties in the past in order to not have outside powers dictate what we can and can’t do in our own territory - to meet the potential terrorists halfway is to admit defeat in the face of the most rudimentary adversity.
The job of our government is to safeguard our national sovereignty, and when foreigners attempt to supplant said sovereignty it’s our governments job to stand firm and uphold OUR values. We JUST CANT bow down to this, and if the road to muslim acceptance of quran burnings is paved with violence and blood then so be it - blaming US for that is like blaming women for being assaulted and raped.
broblackheim at 2023-07-20 14:46:25+00:00 ID:
jsqh49uInteresting. While I strongly disagree to parts here I also think we reached the end of the line here. Appreciate your time and responses.