A district judge in Wisconsin has sided with an 11-year-old trans girl over her use of the girls’ toilets and temporarily blocked school officials from preventing her access.
A district judge in Wisconsin has sided with an 11-year-old trans girl over her use of the girls’ toilets and temporarily blocked school officials from preventing her access.
Public toilets are sex based, not gender. They are male and female. They have existed since long before gender “wasn’t a binary”.
A biological female that identifies as a man can’t use the urinals, can they? No, because they don’t have a penis. Toilets have always been made to accommodate the different sexes, not genders.
It is the presence or lack of a urinal that makes a bathroom a safe space or not? Regardless of that tangent, toilets are not sex specific. (And before indoor plumbing becoming commonplace, outhouses and pit privies weren’t exactly sex based either.)
But at least you’ve honed in and have gotten down to it: you find toilets to be inherently sexual. I find that to be pretty weird. While I won’t kink shame you, I don’t think it’s a good foundation for how handle human waste in public.
(Stalls cam be made more private way more easily than public bathrooms be policed for genitalia conformance.)
You’re just being disingenuous now. You know that was not said in relation to anything being a “safe space”. You know it was said to show that toilets are sex based and not gender based, because gender apparently now has nothing whatsoever to do with your genitals.
“If I ignore your very real and very good point, I can disagree” lol. Male toilets have always had toilets designed for biological male bodies, ie a “penis owner”. That proves that they aren’t “gender based”, otherwise why would only 1 of the 2 of them have a urinal?
I see there is no limit to your disingenuity. You’re the one arguing to try and let biological males go to the toilet with biological girls.
Urgh, the notion that allowing trans people into the bathroom means sex crime is the original disingenuous point. That’s kind of what I was trying to show you. Besides, a transwoman in a woman’s bathroom isn’t using a urinal. A transman in a man’s bathroom isn’t using a urinal. There shouldn’t be a problem with that, and yet there are people just need to know the genitalia of everyone in the stalls. Like genitals need to policed instead of just abiding by a general social rule of public spaces regardless of sex and gender: don’t be sexual in public spaces. Indecency and shit are still very real things that don’t change with trans people existing and taking dumps, believe it or not. Now I don’t mean to upset you, so I am sorry if you are taken so aback at my fatigue of the “trans = perverts” perspective.
No one is saying trans people = perverts. Well I’m sure some are saying that, but I’m not.
What I’m saying is that by allowing anyone to enter female-only spaces you remove the safeguards that make them safe spaces sin the first place.
Are the trans people there to assault women? No. Does it open the door to perverts that do want to assault women to just openly use female-only spaces? Yes. That’s the issue.
It only opens the door for perverts if you are, in fact, saying trans people = perverts.
After all you’re saying allowing a trans person to use their aligning bathroom is the same as allowing anyone to enter female-only spaces.
(So you kinda are saying that. It does appear you might be one of those some.)
Sigh. Read my last comment again and try again.
Even if there wasn’t a single pervert who is trans, allowing anyone to enter female safe spaces allows non trans perverts unrestricted access to these places.
Do you understand? To allow trans people in to the opposite sex safe spaces means allowing everyone to enter them.
It really doesn’t. It only feels that way if you are incapable of differentiating between a sexual pervert and a trans person.
Society can accommodate gender neutral bathrooms (meaning you don’t have this social construct of genital specific genital policed bathroom spaces) alongside gendered bathrooms where people presenting as either gender can go to the bathroom. Where there is no neutral option, the closer aligning gender specific bathroom is better than the genital specific bathroom.
Or you can have it your way with bathrooms where people’s genital have to be declared, revealed, matched, or somehow verified to use them. That is the only way to achieve genital specific safe spaces that you’re craving. Otherwise our society can go about accepting that people presenting as a gender to use their preferred bathroom regardless of their genital status.
So how do you want verify if someone is trans or not when they’re using the bathroom? Keep in mind you’ve already demonstrated that you’re incapable of differentiating between a sexual pervert and a trans person.
The sky is the limit here:
How do you want our society to verify genitalia before providing public bathroom access?
So you can look at a person and tell if they are a sexual pervert? Holy cow, so the fbi know about your amazing talent? That’s a game changer.
What you can pick is a biological male. Every time, without fail. No one needs to look at genitals.
You keep purposely disingenuously saying rubbish like “you’re saying all trans people are perverts”. What I’m saying is that you can’t tell who is a pervert, but you know that if they’re a biological male who is a pervert that you just gave them free and unrestricted access to girls bathrooms by sallowing trans identified people into female space because there’s no way to verify “gender identity” so anyone can simply say they are a girl if they want to access female only spaces.
This isn’t hard to understand, and your attempts to twist it only highlight how weak your argument is.
Sex separated spaces exist for a reason. They existed long before the current “gender identity” thing began.