Or you just ban it completely for everything but hunting and regulate that strictly (ofc with exceptions for police and military). This is the way gun laws work in most European countries and most of them are indeed very save places to live in.
Your point here is a typical American one and just not any good. Guns in self defense rarely help anyone and do way more harm when random idiots who suddenly feel a need to kill someone finds themselfs already with a gun in their hand. Not to say that it’s impossible to get your hands on a gun in (for example) Sweden but the price and complications that ce with it do stop a lot of people from doing stupid things.
This whole thing is about civilians owning guns. Wether the police should carry guns is a completely different story.
They can’t be trusted
I do personally trust the (Swedish) police. Sweden happens to be the country I live in so I don’t know whether the police in whatever country you live in is trustworthy.
You trust the footsoldiers of Capital more than your neighbors?
If you do trust your neighbors, what does it matter if they have guns?
If you don’t trust your neighbors, why wouldn’t you want to be able to protect yourself from them?
I think you are missing my point regarding polices/soldiers with guns. I really do not see why their gun owning is at all related to civilian gun owning. They have different motivations to have guns then, for example, my neighbour.
Soldiers need guns to do their job of protecting our country and generally don’t use them against other people in peace times. Here in Sweden I can only remember one incident like 30 years ago were the military misused their permit to own guns.
The police on the other hand use their guns in situations where they end up in dangerous situations due to their work. This happens way more often for them then for a regular person as its their work to handle dangerous, some times armed, persons. Of all the situation were the Swedish police used their guns 2022 in 471 out of 502 cases the just pointed their gun at someone. In 10 cases the shot a warning shot and in 21 cases they shot with the intention to actually hit the target. Four persons was wounded by the shots and two persons died that year. Our policemen isn’t just some random dude with a gun but people who have been trained to handle stressed out situations by other means then just shooting at some one and that’s generally isn’t true for most other people (like my neighbours). Overall the Swedish police seemingly can handle their permit to use guns but that doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t for example racist. But at least they don’t randomly kill people.
I pulled all of the stats for this comment from this report.
If you do trust your neighbors, what does it matter if they have guns?
I live in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden. I have a ton of neighbours and I do indeed not trust all of them to own guns.
And regarding your UN report, I guess I’m just a regular Swede. From the article you linked:
We heard that most of the population in Sweden generally has confidence in the police
There ain’t really to much public discussion about racism here in Sweden and when it’s covered in the news it almost never related to the police doing anything wrong. Not because that’s a good but I hope you can now understand why I do trust police.
EDIT: small correction. The 21 cases were the police used their guns against some one includes times were they’ve shot at cars
So what I’m gathering is you are not marginalized in your home country, and can’t conceive of why someone may not be protected by or safe under the status quo.
You further seem fine with people socially or physically less powerful than the dominant group being at their oppressors’ mercy.
I’m really glad you feel safe, but “I have never been raped or racially profiled.” does not do much as arguments go to convince me your system is ripe for reproduction.
Our policemen isn’t just some random dude with a gun but people who have been trained
I advocate that sort of training for everyone. Teach guns to schoolkids at the same time you’re teaching them to drive.
So basically you suggest that we get rid of the police and just hope that the general public isn’t just as racist as the police force? Sadly I don’t think that’ll work; while I can’t back that up with statistics I don’t believe that the police is more racist then the general public and so the world wouldn’t be better without them.
I advocate that sort of training for everyone. Teach guns to schoolkids at the same time you’re teaching them to drive.
I also advocate the abolition of police
So you’re an anarchist or what? I don’t believe that anarchy will work in a modern society
So basically you suggest that we get rid of the police and just hope that the general public isn’t just as racist as the police force?
I suggest we don’t monopolize lethal force in the hands of a group we know to be racist (and inherently servants of Capital). Who do you suppose it is throwing people out their houses so landlords can continue profiting off the human need for shelter? Not people’s neighbors.
I also don’t like the idea someone bigger than me can attack me with no recourse because neither of us has a gun.
So you’re an anarchist or what?
Idunno, maybe. I’m pretty sure that
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
Well yes, but Americans have that unpleasant thing called ACAB that likely prevents them from accepting any attempt at removing their perceived self-defense against the abuse committed by authorities.
ACAB is a global fact, not unique to America. It’s also a fact largely recognised by the same kinds of people who are opposed to the free flow of guns. The kinds of people who think guns should be unrestricted are also the kinds who, by and large, are supportive of police and believe police are on their side.
Or you just ban it completely for everything but hunting and regulate that strictly (ofc with exceptions for police and military). This is the way gun laws work in most European countries and most of them are indeed very save places to live in.
Your point here is a typical American one and just not any good. Guns in self defense rarely help anyone and do way more harm when random idiots who suddenly feel a need to kill someone finds themselfs already with a gun in their hand. Not to say that it’s impossible to get your hands on a gun in (for example) Sweden but the price and complications that ce with it do stop a lot of people from doing stupid things.
Why do you trust people who have proven over and over they _can’_t be trusted?
This whole thing is about civilians owning guns. Wether the police should carry guns is a completely different story.
I do personally trust the (Swedish) police. Sweden happens to be the country I live in so I don’t know whether the police in whatever country you live in is trustworthy.
You trust the footsoldiers of Capital more than your neighbors?
If you do trust your neighbors, what does it matter if they have guns?
If you don’t trust your neighbors, why wouldn’t you want to be able to protect yourself from them?
How marginalized are your various identities?
I think you are missing my point regarding polices/soldiers with guns. I really do not see why their gun owning is at all related to civilian gun owning. They have different motivations to have guns then, for example, my neighbour.
Soldiers need guns to do their job of protecting our country and generally don’t use them against other people in peace times. Here in Sweden I can only remember one incident like 30 years ago were the military misused their permit to own guns.
The police on the other hand use their guns in situations where they end up in dangerous situations due to their work. This happens way more often for them then for a regular person as its their work to handle dangerous, some times armed, persons. Of all the situation were the Swedish police used their guns 2022 in 471 out of 502 cases the just pointed their gun at someone. In 10 cases the shot a warning shot and in 21 cases they shot with the intention to actually hit the target. Four persons was wounded by the shots and two persons died that year. Our policemen isn’t just some random dude with a gun but people who have been trained to handle stressed out situations by other means then just shooting at some one and that’s generally isn’t true for most other people (like my neighbours). Overall the Swedish police seemingly can handle their permit to use guns but that doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t for example racist. But at least they don’t randomly kill people.
I pulled all of the stats for this comment from this report.
I live in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden. I have a ton of neighbours and I do indeed not trust all of them to own guns.
And regarding your UN report, I guess I’m just a regular Swede. From the article you linked:
There ain’t really to much public discussion about racism here in Sweden and when it’s covered in the news it almost never related to the police doing anything wrong. Not because that’s a good but I hope you can now understand why I do trust police.
EDIT: small correction. The 21 cases were the police used their guns against some one includes times were they’ve shot at cars
So what I’m gathering is you are not marginalized in your home country, and can’t conceive of why someone may not be protected by or safe under the status quo.
You further seem fine with people socially or physically less powerful than the dominant group being at their oppressors’ mercy.
I’m really glad you feel safe, but “I have never been raped or racially profiled.” does not do much as arguments go to convince me your system is ripe for reproduction.
I advocate that sort of training for everyone. Teach guns to schoolkids at the same time you’re teaching them to drive.
I also advocate the abolition of police.
So basically you suggest that we get rid of the police and just hope that the general public isn’t just as racist as the police force? Sadly I don’t think that’ll work; while I can’t back that up with statistics I don’t believe that the police is more racist then the general public and so the world wouldn’t be better without them.
So you’re an anarchist or what? I don’t believe that anarchy will work in a modern society
I suggest we don’t monopolize lethal force in the hands of a group we know to be racist (and inherently servants of Capital). Who do you suppose it is throwing people out their houses so landlords can continue profiting off the human need for shelter? Not people’s neighbors.
I also don’t like the idea someone bigger than me can attack me with no recourse because neither of us has a gun.
Idunno, maybe. I’m pretty sure that
makes sense.
Well yes, but Americans have that unpleasant thing called ACAB that likely prevents them from accepting any attempt at removing their perceived self-defense against the abuse committed by authorities.
ACAB is a global fact, not unique to America. It’s also a fact largely recognised by the same kinds of people who are opposed to the free flow of guns. The kinds of people who think guns should be unrestricted are also the kinds who, by and large, are supportive of police and believe police are on their side.