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Peter Navarro wants to increase pressure on country that Donald Trump has threatened to annex
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Oh they’re really serious about this aren’t they
On some level I’m glad he’s also going after Germany, Denmark, Ukraine etc. At least we’re not alone in this.
Why would I even need Canada when I can already monitor Russia by looking out the window of my house?
That’s not really the purpose of Five Eyes. Sure it does that, but the main reason for it is to circumvent restrictions on spying on your own citizens. Instead they get someone else (like Canada) to spy for them and pass the info along.
Sarah Palin? When did you figure out Lemmy? /s
Article seems to have a hard paywall? Even 12ft.io can’t bypass it.
Here you go: https://archive.is/jwP4B
Navarro did not respond to requests for comment. After the FT’s article was first published, Navarro denied pushing the idea, which he said was “crazy stuff”. “We would never ever jeopardise our national security . . . with allies like Canada,” Navarro said.
That is a full walkback if it was ever said originally. Doesn’t make it time to trust the US on anything, though.
I would remove America immediately. It’s basic common sense.
Pretty sure the 3 other eyes will be on our side.
Most of our citizens… Probably.
Spineless Government… Probably not.
Every member except the US has the same head of state. Pretty sure that head of state isn’t going to kick out part of the commonwealth for a rebellious and unreliable colony.
Peter Navarro’s out of prison?
He’s gained valuable experience, he’s an integral member of Trump’s inner circle.
I’d hazard to guess that they got wind that other four are thinking of kicking out the USA and are trying to get ahead of it.
The Five Eyes are supposed to be a bulwark against Russia and, later, terrorists. Now that the USA is aligning with Russia, sharing intel with them doesn’t seem like such a good idea.
Most members aren’t allowed to spy on their own citizens without things like warrants. So they spy on the other members citizens and then share the info.
It’s basically a way around citizen rights.
So the question becomes, like so many others, are the benefits worth the risks? Being able to collect information on your citizens without saying you do by helping closely aligned countries do the same appears to have been worth the risk to the leaders of those (and other) countries. Doing that while also providing info about your allies to someone who isn’t considered an ally or who they may be wary of is a different proposition.
I’d be happier if a lot of things could happen, including spying on your neighbors, or engaging in quid pro quo to provide a fig leaf on the idea of spying on your own citizens, but I imagine that isn’t going to happen for a good long while.
sigh I take it america is getting kicked out then, fair enough
Oh that was happening the second Trump used Putin’s exact lines about the Ukraine war and put a person in charge of our intelligence that’s widely seen as a Russian asset.
This will just make it happen faster.
How does he get to pick the head of Canadian intelligence?
Don’t threaten us with a good time. Snowden’s leaks unveiled just how shady and corrupt this agreement is.
Also does the US even have an intelligence sector any more? Or have they all been fired and replaced with toe-sucking morons?
Exactly. Do Australia next please!
Can’t, sorry, I’m sure the Prime Minister would be removed again by your Governor-General if you tried :/
that’s … not really how that works
Except that it already happened once: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis
this is exactly how this should play out. the outcome might not be fair or ideal, however the whitlam government could not govern with the situation at the time after 2 attempts. in these situations, there are no good options: deferring power to the governor general to force a functional government is, imo, a better option than people fighting for control with violence or government shutdown etc… you can disagree, and that’s fine but in general i think that australian culture tends to side with my way of doing things, and it’s worked out for us so far
and no i’m not really interested in gaming out what ifs and multiverse theories of how things might have or will go in some arbitrary future because the reality of the situation right now is australia is a great place to live and the largest constitutional crisis ever ended in a pretty fine outcome in the long term and has never happened again
I was referring to the allegations that the GG had CIA ties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_CIA_involvement_in_the_Whitlam_dismissal, though both Whitlam and Kerr deny it.
In general the way that played out is fine, and we’ve had related issues pop up here in Canada too.
and i completely agree - the CIA has its fingers way too far into australian politics, and i think there’s likely been a lot of modern examples of this too
but it’s not like the CIA can just up and replace our government with 1 weird trick lol
For the next 4 years, at least, ANY ALLIANCE WITH THE US IS A SECURITY RISK FOR US.
I am sorry to tell you but it is going to be that way for much longer than four years, not that I think Trump will last more than four years he may but that is a question for later. I do however see the next administration holding a grudge against Canada for a much longer time as we do more to avoid the US as they have shown to be a less than favourable partner.
The survival of US democracy is dependent on whether Trump croaks before his term is up. If he’s still alive when his term is up, he’s not leaving. Then that’s the end of US democracy and either it’s a civil war or they become an authoritarian regime with a slow decline. In which case, yeah they’ll be and adversary for Canada for decades.
But if he doesn’t last the term (he’s old and not all that healthy) my guess is JD Vance lacks the popularity to make authoritarianism stick and will either be voted out or there’d be a coup if he tries to quash democracy. Whoever replaces him would not want to continue the failed policies of that regime.
So it all depends on how long the Fanta Menace lives for.
Yes however if he crocks prior to his 4 year term is up, the die hard MAGA crowd will believe he was murdered. If you think JD will get to be president I have a story to tell you, he will not be president it will be Musk.
Musk will gut the government even more than he has already, Musk’s baby shield has already told Trump he is not president. Some people have claimed that Teil will become president as he is running things from behind but Musk has been in front of the people and will have an easier time becoming the dick, or I mean dictator.
Elections are a thing of the past in the US, if Trump makes it through his four years or not.
These links are made in a way where they can just be dropped every 4 years. This is going to be lasting damage.
US intelligence agencies are now entirely compromised by the actions of Don QHoaxer de la Maga. Any data received by them will be swiftly traded off to unfriendly powers, while any data from them will be so riddled with disinformation as to be useless.
And even when Trump is gone, the American people have shown their commitment to electing fascists so the USA should be considered untrustworthy for decades to come.
Not even getting good value in trade. Just get dinner at Mar A Lago, and use the bathroom in back of the jacuzzi or whatever.
There was an article the other day about kicking out the UK, who’s going to be left at this rate.
With Tulsi Gabbard as the US Director of National Intelligence, how much do we want to leak to Russia?
everything, obviously
Russia is our ally, they should have access to all the intel we have on Ukraine.
Please say you are joking, and you just forgot to put the /s at the end.
I am joking but that’s how Tulsi sees the situation.
Ukraine is about to be fucked over so hard that it will be a chapter in history books what happens when a smaller nation tries to stand tall and gets ganged up on by nuclear powers.
Australia and New Zealand, who Russia doesn’t really care about.
This president has been such a disgrace to the intelligence community.
They’re not going to stay with the UK and Canada gone.
Australia and NZ are in a difficult position. From the day European’s arrived they have been aligned to the world’s dominant sea power. Both are remote and reliant on sea trade. I don’t know that we have the mental flexibility to change. More likely we will negotiate with the Whitehouse to get the best we can out of things under the circumstances. I wouldn’t expect major political parties here to publicly oppose Trump except on long established foreign policy like support of Ukraine. I wouldn’t mistake lack of protest with acceptance.
The countries with the most self-interest in securing our sea trade are China, Japan and South Korea for their food, energy and raw materials, not the USA. US is a net exporter to us but a lot of it is financial, services/IP and I think their commitment is somewhat less than it was post WW2.
New plan: we all kick out the US and we’ll invite most of the rest of the friendly countries name it the one-hundred thirty-eyes and we’ll have blackjack and hookers.
US, Russia and North Korea?
:(
I mean they all just voted in the UN together with Iran the exact same way re: Ukraine. So yeah.
So they’re gonna be called Four Eyes then?
Well, if they punt the US instead, we could just call it the Commonwealth. How about the Commonwealth Intelligence Agencies?
Well, there was something of the kind of CANZUK sharing earlier. But that included SA and India in a kind of outer layer with less complete access.
At the rate the US is going, they’re going to end up calling it “Cyclops”.
Good 'ol One Eye
I had to scroll too far to read this classic! 🤓
Nobody tell Little t that NORAD is a joint Canada-US operation.
Well how else are we supposed to track Santa? /s
They’ve not forgotten about NORAD, and I wish I could say more than that, but I would get people in trouble if I did.
If you truly know something which you are not allowed to speak publicly about, you may be in a position to “do something” with that information.
Godspeed, and I hope I never hear about your exploits.
Don’t worry folk, we have more than enough experience at this.
America’s intelligence gathering apparatus is essentially the creation of Canada.
the first commandant was Lt. Col. Arthur Terence Roper-Caldbeck.[9] Colonel William “Wild Bill” Donovan, war-time head of the OSS, credited Stephenson with teaching Americans about foreign intelligence gathering.[6] The CIA even named their recruit training facility “The Farm”, a nod to the original farm that existed at the Camp X site.[10]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_X
He is best known by his wartime intelligence code name, Intrepid. Many people consider him to be one of the real-life inspirations for James Bond.[1] Ian Fleming himself once wrote, “James Bond is a highly romanticised version of a true spy. The real thing is… William Stephenson.”[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stephenson
For further reading, check out the book, “A Man Called Intrepid”
Now that the James Bond franchise is dead someone should get on making a movie franchise about Stephenson.
