Summary
Over 15,000 doctors, through the Committee to Protect Health Care, urged the Senate to reject Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as secretary of health and human services, citing his anti-vaccine advocacy, promotion of conspiracy theories, and lack of qualifications.
Critics, including Hawaii Gov. Josh Green, warn his leadership would endanger public health. Supporters claim opposition is driven by pharmaceutical interests.
Kennedy’s confirmation would require near-unanimous Republican support in the Senate.
Advocacy groups are campaigning against his appointment, emphasizing his alleged role in spreading misinformation during past public health crises.
It’s funny that doctors believe republicans care about their opinion. See Dr. Anthony Fauci for reference.
See Dr. Anthony Fauci for reference.
My god, the crimes committed against that man after all he has done for this ungrateful country are just absolutely unforgivable.
To run the NIAID and awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom FROM George W. Bush, should have been enough. I have learned the masses are fucking stupid literal sheep.
I cannot believe there is even consideration about giving him preemptive pardon.
Like, it’s not even clear what possible crime he committed, but since they might go after him we should issue a pardon just in case.
Many of them have been whipped up into a murderous frenzy over Fauci. Now, that’s the dumbasses yokels in the deplorable base. How many of the elites in the qon power structure want to go after him, who knows. I"m sure donvict had his feelings hurt about something related to Fauci because Fauci is part of the reality-based community, so maybe he might let it happen.
You know what, you have to respect them for trying. The alternative is staying silent and accepting this without any show of resistance at all.
Sometimes it’s hard to know which battles to pick.
Resisting this appointment kinda forces Trump to double down, because it was an election promise. It also diminishes drs credibility in future matters. “Drs moan about everything”.
That’s almost an endorsement to Senate Republicans.
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Many of them seriously would love to see him literally hanged alongside Biden, Kamala, Pence, Obama, Hillary…the dumbasses are all convinced he did something wrong to donvict, themselves, the country. You know, because, repeat after me, like all good parrots do: “gain of function! gain of function!”
They should try bribing the Republicans, that’s how you get results.
Don’t you mean make a donation to the pac?
Doctors are about to get the climate scientist treatment. It’s not a Cassandra curse. It’s not that they don’t believe you. They just don’t see the consequences affecting them personally, so they don’t care.
Also, the dumbasses seem to think using terms like “herd immunity” only confirms the garbage that the likes of Alex Jones is filling their empty heads with. “Herd immunity! That’s how the global elites think about all of us! Just a herd to be culled until there is only 500,000,000 people on the planet, just like the Georgia Guidestones says!”
Lol, imagine the incoming senate actually listening to the rabble.
Okay but imagine that do…
Then we get reminded that Senate approval is a formality when he puts RFK there anyways
That’s great and all, but it’s not going to happen. In fact, all the hate will only cause him to grow even stronger and dumber.
The man’s face looks like the outward end of a constipated turd. I don’t think you can pack more shit in there.
The only thing he’s right about is the junk we have in our food and chemicals that are banned in the EU but allowed to be in our food
That’s the sad thing. RFK is “right” about a lot, not just about health but about what happened in the election, but that doesn’t make the bad bundled with him OK.
Some people are crazy or corrupt and should absolutely not hold office, but that doesn’t necessarily invalidate points they raise… But apparently we can’t have it that way. We go all in someone or bury, nothing in between
You are correct that it doesn’t necessarily invalidate points they raise. But if you’re dealing with somebody who is crazy or corrupt AND they represent the party famous for arguing in bad faith, it’s probably a waste of time to evaluate whether or not you can trust a given thing they say.
There are also many ingredients banned in the US that aren’t in the EU. This trend of focusing on food ingredients misses the bigger picture.
While processed food is generally garbage, our food supply is generally safe, the real issue is healthy, whole foods aren’t accessible enough.
And banning those advertisements.
And the EU allows food that we don’t in ours, like Cyclamate. Raw milk and unwashed eggs are all perfectly legal too.
They’re not perfect.
unwashed eggs are all perfectly legal too.
Becsuse washing eggs makes them spoil easier as it ruins the bloom which protects the eggs from pathogens.
The risk here is so non-existent, that I can safely eat my eggs raw. This is an official stance of the Finnish health authorities.
I trust them saying that.
But if RFK said that about American eggs, I would laugh out loud.
Most American bread sold here has to be marketed as dessert, because of the high sugar content. I mean, there really isn’t demand for it, but you’ll sometimes see some in some novel “America” shelves/sections.
I, too, normally eat my eggs with the shell still attached.
And you realize that egg shells are porous? Unwashed eggs are sealed, and that’s one of the reasons why Europe can sell eggs without even refrigeration.
Unwashed eggs have a much shorter shelf life before the salmonella gets through the porous shell.
The EU sells unrefrigerated eggs because they’re fresher - they spoil significantly faster than American eggs.
Unwashed eggs have a much shorter shelf life
Unwashed eggs have a shelf life of like 3 weeks. If I put them into the refrigerator, they’re still good for at least 2 months. I’ve eaten eggs that sat in my fridge for almost 3 months, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them; float test, inside visuals, and taste was perfect.
We don’t usually sell washed eggs, so I don’t know what their shelf life usually is, but a search shows that it’s like 5 weeks at the most? So an extra couple weeks? That doesn’t seem like a huge difference especially when considering the negatives.
before the salmonella gets through the porous shell.
We don’t even have salmonella in our egg production lines due to better rules and quality controls, but even if we did, how would removing the cuticle reduce bacteria risks? The cuticle is surprisingly resilient; bacteria doesn’t just “get through” it that quickly or easily.
Also consider that the egg’s cuticle doesn’t just hold out bacteria… it also holds in moisture etc. And when moisture leaves the egg, what happens with the displacement? It sucks in air from outside, which may contain contamination, or any salmonella that wasn’t fully removed. I hope your refrigerator (and all the cooling rooms the eggs have been in prior to you buying it) have cleanroom standards and humidity control!
The EU sells unrefrigerated eggs because they’re fresher - they spoil significantly faster than American eggs.
Why would we sell something that expires quicker, if it’d reduce food waste by having a longer shelf life? Stores here don’t like to throw away expired products instead of selling them.
Consider that the more reasonable answer is cultural differences. Many Americans have an extremely naïve view of agriculture. They would see their eggs with some dirt on it, and would flip out instead of Googling “wtf is a cloaca?”… it’s a similar reason why Americans put tons of unnecessary additives and coloring into their foodstuffs.
(And yes, of course the EU’s rules are far from being perfect, but my common sense and science shows that unwashed eggs should be superior. I like eggs btw.)
Their eggs are fine.
Sure, never said they were. But they ban alot of chemicals that are harmful and judging on health outcomes and obesity rates they seem to have it better.
EU health and obesity rates have way more to do with urbanism than diet and health outcomes compared to the USA is such a useless comparison. America’s trying to kill you off the moment you get sick. Pay or die: yeah no wonder it’s such a shit show.
Does the health insurance industry, a criminal syndicate, support the nutter RFK?
The math is easy on that one: RFK is against vaccines & drug treatments and seems to disagree with much of modern, science-based medicine. If all of that stuff, in the eyes of the CDC, becomes “unnecessary,” then the insurance industry will be able to deny a lot more coverage, followed by the C-suite scheduling of “money fight Fridays.”
Quick question. Honest question. How many doctors are there in the USA? I feel like this headline could have been more impactful if it gave an idea of what percentage of the medical field feels this way. 15,000 doctors, across all 50 states…maybe I’m wrong, this is just a gut feeling based on nothing, but that seems low. Feels like some of the bigger states could have 15,000 doctors by themselves.
I’m not in any way defending RFK. I’m just saying this particular story seems like a non-story at those numbers.
Yeah, there’s about a million, so this is ~1.5%
As a person who’s organized petitions for widely felt issues, the impact isn’t strictly from a raw percentage of participation (though it’s a significant factor when that number is large). The impact comes from the number of people involved. Of the roughly 1 million doctors in the country, 1% were so against the concept that they chose to take direct action.
If that many people were moved to action, how many are against it but not ready or willing to fight? How many felt it wouldn’t matter if they signed? How many more didn’t hear about it?
Yeah, it’s still impactful, I just also got curious about the number of doctors in the US and figured it was silly to look it up and not share.
Imagine if 4m citizens signed a petition, I don’t think anyone would be arguing that “but it’s not even 2% of the population!”
Right, I’m sure many doctors are well aware of what demons the right are. I could see some organized effort to target doctors and sic the insane RW nutjobs on them in a campaign of stochastic terrorism.
That, or lean on people with the ability to punish them at their jobs, or have some way to make them unemployed.
I imagine there are plenty of doctors who know exactly what is up but also would save thousands of dollars in tax by voting in Republicans. America is the incarnation of “fuck you, got mine”.
At the same time it’s risky to use small percentages of big populations even if it looks big. If you cast a net big enough, you can drum up thousands of pretty much anyone for pretty much anything (I wonder how many nurses you or doctors you could get to say they’re anti-vaxx). Not saying this doesn’t hold water but just take with a grain of salt.
Agreed, and the right wing definitely does organize disinfo campaigns that exploit this. I remember the stupid anti-science right wingers trying to make a lot of hay with the Oregon Petition. Sure, they had a lot of people that had no business weighing in, but they had PhDs in that list, ya’ll, and they had, get this, over 31,000 of them overall, ya’ll!
The general population is not known for either their critical thinking skills, knowing the difference between engineering and science, and their numeracy, so it was a clever scheme…
Pfff, doctors, what do they know about health, am I right?
The right seems to despise expertise of nearly all kinds, most especially if it involves going to a university.
So yeah, if doctors tell them something that hurts their feelings (like wear a mask, get vaccinated, meat is bad for you, alcohol is bad for you) they are going to get just as butthurt about that kind of expertise as they will about scientists telling them that evolution and global warming are real things…
Apparently they didn’t follow trump the first time around. The surest way to get him to do something is to tell him not to.
“All those doctors are a buncha elitists, I tell ya! I’m on the macho manly carnivore diet and even the know-it-all doc says I only need THREE statins!”
Meanwhile, the qons will just consider that the libz have been owned.
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