My “attitude” in no way excuses the very offensive remarks on your part, but I guess that’s what happens when you try to defend undefendable claims. You jump from claim to claim, when you are proven wrong, like how you edited out the part where you claim the European trend can be extrapolated to the entire world and you personally attack me with the excuse that I was taken aback by the ignorance on a straightforward Google search.

From what you remember (from where? That’s a good question I guess no one will ever answer us apparently)that does not make up for the overall downwards trend of consumption and emissions. Ok let’s deconstruct that quickly. Consumption has not been decreasing, it has been increasing, proven by the ever rising GDP, which measures exactly that, the total output of goods and services and considering the imports and exports are roughly equal for Europe and that material consumption is coupled to gdp, that’s the consumption.

When I say that Europe has outsourced its heavy industry to third world countries, I wasn’t talking just about “importing goods”. I was talking about their entire production. And the fact that fossil fuel consumption is still ever growing in Europe as well as in the entire West, coupled to the GDP growth is proven in Hickel(2019) “Is green growth possible”, where the domestic material consumption index is proven not to be accounting for the outsourced fossil fuels and materials consumed in third world countries to produce the goods imported, vital for Europe. The actual material footprint(which is the fossil fuel consumption and materials combined) is growing along with the GDP. And when you understand this, you realize it is all an illusion of accounting.

These are your two tragically false claims. For the third paragraph I don’t have much to say besides that third world countries need to increase their GDP to be living comfortably since they are destitute and the first world countries need to degrow like we said. Scientists have been saying this for so many years. There is a space between planetary boundaries and the decent living conditions that all people can and should be living in. The west exceeds the planetary limits(per capita), the economic south is below decent living conditions. That’s what degrowth preaches. It refers to the west, not the world in general.

I have no problems with the action, and I have no problems with his attitude.

The effort to isolate Russia is an acceptable result of the Russian violent invasion. Russian citizens are not to blame for their nation’s behaviour, but they do share responsibility.

Removing contributes from the maintainers list is not an extreme action, but it is important as a statement.

As for not feeling the need to defend the Russian citizens, it is nearly righteous for people from nation’s that have been bullied by their neighbours.

Sanctions like this don’t work to affect change, it’s cruelty for the sake of cruelty with no other plausible purpose. Citizens have practically no control of their government in any nuclear state, blaming them and punishing them for something wholly unrelated to them based on their country of origin or residence is literally in the definition of hate speech, and literally is a fascist activity.

No, I also found the way he handled it really distasteful. Even before his response, just generally the way the whole thing was attempted under a veil wasn’t great. The actions taken should have been transparent from the start.

I do agree that it shouldn’t be polluting this thread like this though.

What is the point of this comment? Linus was childish as hell in the email chain and started a bunch of drama for literally no reason. I’m not mad as much as I am embarrassed to be a part of the Linux community when things like this happen.

So you’re fine with other oss projects kicking out Americans for their multiple genocides, right?

He’s practically always been like this. If anything he’s notably softened with age.

It’s companies that under sanctions, it’s not only drones, its banks that finance the war, and companies that are trying to censor the internet and destroy the privacy, that sort of things.

I understand why people were mad it wasn’t made clear in the beginning. if it’s just people with ties to the war then it’s a good thing they did.

It’s very simple. The US government maintains a list of sanctioned entities and companies. US citizens and businesses are not allowed to do business with these entities. Most of the removed maintainers either used their company email, or very publicly are employees of these sanctioned companies.

There’s no investigation of connections or anything complicated going on here.

Also, if you think corporations becoming effective government is some Russia specific thing, I have a bridge to sell you.

There should be sanctions on every country invading. Its not rocket science. It’s crazy to say that russia is being sanctioned for racist reasons. They are literally attacking an European nation. Makes sense that other European countries sanction them, no?

Neither Russian nor Western are a race.

Then other countries should make sanctions on the US where it masters to them to do so.

So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where? Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.

Why would they relocate? To keep a few Russian maintainers? Because not relocating is “racist”? Not sure what you mean, just trying to guess.

Usually uprooting your life and moving to another country implies a job change. At least that’s how I read the comment.

Sanctions have effect precisely because they are a broad tool.

Rationally speaking, the whole purpose of sanctions is to sanction the whole population of the country in order to get the government of the country to change it’s policies. And when it comes to sanctions, companies and entities doing business with the sanctioned countries are themselves sanctioned. So Linus had no choice but to remove the Russian contributors.

We’re talking about a real situation, not about what would be better.

So your advice is basically “come on, guys, you can resist russian aggression in ways that don’t involve conflict, stop the sanctions and side with Russia pls”?

No. As the instigator of this conflict, Russia can back the fuck down.

HAHAHA THEY REMOVED YOURS TOO, this instance is tankie GARBAGE

LMAO they removed my comment

Ah, yeah. OK. That isn’t a nazi reference. Nazis chose the swastika because it’s present in many cultures. A key thing is there’s is rotated 45°. If you notice, the one the Finnish Air Force had is the tradition rotation. It’d been in use since 1918, before the Nazis started most of their shit. It had nothing to do with them, and was a prominent symbol in their culture. Calling it a Nazi symbol is a lie, and it’s probably on purpose to be misleading.

Edit: They didn’t say it was a nazi symbol, just a swastika. It was implied to be bad though, which implies it was a Nazi reference.

…because removing somebody’s kernel maintainer priv and the industrialised genocide of people is remotely comparable.

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Not all but a lot

I completely agree he was unprofessional about it and should have handled it better. It was his choice in how he communicated it, and I think he failed on that point. Having said that, it was not his choice to do it, and I’m sure he will undue it when it’s legally possible. Hopefully using better judgement on his choice of words then.