Op, it’s been an entire day… How’d did it go?
I fear the worst
2,409 updates could mean like two days of restarts… I’m just going to turn on some bagpipe music and stand on a hill in the wind looking out at the computer shaped clouds on the horizon.
He’s dead, Jim
Light the signal fires.
Praying for your computer, friend
That clock placement is giving me anxiety
what’s there to not like about 7:40PM?
Yeah, that’s some ugly desktop environment.
That’s probably one of the updates
The clock updates every minute.
I haven’t updated it in years for fear of this Y2K issue. What’s ahead for me guys?
You’re not missing much. There are no new features, and a bug related to the year 2038 was introduced.
What a resource hog
Side note: “I’mma” is a contraction of the whole phrase “I’m going to” or “I’m about to” so it’s followed immediately by the verb indicating what you’ll be doing:
“I’mma rawdog this sucker without backups.”
Yes, I added sucker, because it’s going to suck up all your time and data, sucka!
Op should have used “I’m finna rawdog this jawn no backup style”
For no reason other than mixed US slang from different regions sounds funnier to my ear
“no backup style” hits just right.
I’ve always thought of it as I am gonna
That’s the lightly slangy version I would normally use, but as long as I was being pedantic I thought I’d better avoid any contractions in that part.
Maybe I’m just screaming into the void here, but does it seem like, as a person who is still relatively out of touch with linux, I don’t necessarily have to update my Arch distribution whenever there are new updates available? I could theoretically just go on downloading new programs, uninstalling old ones, using everything as it sits until theoretically something breaks?
You’ll run into security and stability problems if you put it off for too long.
I don’t necessarily have to update my Arch distribution whenever there are new updates available
Clearly, op agrees
You should always run a full upgrade when installing a new package to make sure your versions are all in sync. Like if your new package is looking for version 1.1 and you have 1.0 installed, the new package won’t work. In general, everything should be installed with ‘pacman -Syu’ not just ‘pacman -S’
If you don’t install any new packages, then no you don’t need to upgrade anything. You’re just missing out on security patches and upgraded features. It’s worth running occasional upgrades.
pacman -S without update is safe and will just install a version that was in the repos at the time you last dis an update. stuff gets removed from repos after like a month though…
Iirc, the Arch wiki says you should synchronize all packages while adding new ones, and it’s technically unsupported. It might work in some cases, but personally I didn’t have to do much to not be able to launch something because symbols missing in libraries or no such file altogether. To avoid problems it’s better to sync packages fully at least once in a while.
And they were never heard from AGAIN! Oooooooo It is horror month, and that’s pretty scary! :-D
Don’t try to install Arch after midnight.
How long should you wait before installing? It was midnight over 9 hours ago so am I good to go?
Too late. Now you have to install FreeBSD.
Something i can say, did you have ready an snapshot of the system??, cuz too may things can go wrong with that numbre of updates.
If something like that happens, maybe the best option would be to just install a new fresh os lol
Troubleshooting everything that goes wrong will take my lifetime
The quick way
Average rolling release distro user experience
Not if you update every 4 hours ;-)
I’d automate it but the greybeards tell me it’s a bad idea :(
I do the same as OP with my Fedora workstation, which is wait till I have to summon all the available mirrors just to serve me several gigs of software updates every other week.
For my servers I have an ansible script to update most of the machines. I fire that up every start of the month after the automatic backups. Seems like I’m a week late again already. In these I use apt dist-upgrade since that seems more robust, but I’m still to shy to run it in a cron job.
tbf fedora isnt bad for updates in this way
yolo, friend. yolo.
what packaging system?
Duct tape and baling wire, perhaps?
Strapping tape and cardboard is way cleaner.
don’t forget the spit! pulls everything together nicely - lubricates, seals and protects.
Just think of all the great things you’re going to learn about emergency boot recovery!
And that is why I use Opensuse tumbleweed, no worries ever (zypper takes a snapshot before and after each upgrade, single command to roll back)
Same sentiment but using Bazzite here.
Update fucked something? Roll back and wait. It’ll be fixed soon.
Not to mention that a two or three thousand package update is rookie numbers for zypper.
Basically reinstalling your OS because of an GCC update is the only gripe I have with Tumbleweed.
I wonder though, did I have the same with Arch? I don’t remember.
@Magnolia_@lemmy.ca it’s been 8 hours, did you make it?
@Magnolia_@lemmy.ca it’s been almost 16hrs. Have you lost everything? Has your uncalculated gamble paid off?
He ded
He is in progress
We’re getting things ready for you ( )
It’s my experience that Ubuntu and Fedora break if you don’t upgrade often (and then suddenly do after a year), while arch doesn’t… Which is interesting, since it’s supposed to be the other way around…
I think it’s because Fedora and Ubuntu add a lot of new things, while arch just updates it’s packages.
Fedora upgrades are very reliable. I’ve never had one fail, 24 upgrades and counting.
Was gonna say this. As long as you run
dnf update
before you upgrade and make sure there aren’t any left (you know, like their upgrade dpcs explicitly tell you to), you’re chilling.Only issues I’ve had with fedora upgrades so far are plasma incompatibilities (not a fedora issue) and nvidia bullshit (not a fedora issue).
Eh, I leave fedora for a while and come back and it’s fine. Never had it break and I’ve been using it consistently since like 27.
More please. Getting ready to switch from Windows to Linux, been making sure I can install all the -arr I want and get games running, but in Mint.
Now I’m hitting the brakes hard. It’s Arch if that means I don’t have this headache. I’ll need to start over learning, but it’ll be worth it.
I recently updated an old laptop from Ubuntu 16 to 24 with no issues whatsoever. Do not start with Arch if you don’t have any Linux experience yet.
Honestly if you are that worried about updates breaking stuff, you might be better off using an immutable distro. These work using images and/or snapshots so it’s easy to rollback if something goes wrong. It’s also just less likely to go wrong as you aren’t upgrading individual packages as much, but rather the base system as a whole. Both Fedora and Open Suse have atomic/immutable variants with derivatives like Universal Blue providing ready to go setups for specific use cases like gaming and workstation use.
Alternatively the likes of Debian rarely break because of updates as everything is thoroughly tested before deployment. Gentoo and void are the same deal but in rolling release format so they are at least somewhat up to date while still being quite well tested.
Well people were on here saying they do a clean reinstall, backing up their computer and doing a reinstall whenever there’s an update. Certainly don’t want to go through that hassle.
The idea of an immutable distro sounds pretty good, but I’m willing to do updates pretty often so I’m probably going to end up taking the risk quote unquote of Linux Mint.
I don’t think you have interpreted that correctly. People tend to reinstall when changing versions, for example from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04. That isn’t the same as doing updates.
As long as you update frequently (I do it whenever I think about it, usually once every few days to a week) you shouldn’t run into any issues
I’ve had two different arch based distros have issues when trying to update after long periods. I also had an Ubuntu server fail completely when doing a major version upgrade and had to restore it from backup. But then again I’ve also had no trouble updating an Ubuntu machine that was a couple years behind.
I’m on Fedora now for my desktop and it’s been great so far, but I also do updates at least weekly. My advice would be if you expect to go months between updates your best choice is probably Debian.