Yeah, but he’s right about that part. Hybrid cars are just BEVs with more steps that can’t be recharged at home. Maybe useful for planes and other specific applications. Dumb for cars.
I don’t know how the mineral ingredients of a fuel cell stack compare to a lithium battery, but assuming they’re the same, a fuel cell vehicle has significantly less of them. For example, the fuel cell stack in the Toyota Mirai weighs about 19kg and is complemented with a battery that weighs 45kg (1, 2). In comparison, the Tesla Model 3 carries a battery weighing 480kg. Therefore, a BEV has about 6.5x as much stuff of questionable origin (and questionable disposal requirements) as a FCEV.
Hydrogen is definitely interesting for the future but is currently used by the oil industry to stall the transition away from gas. On top of that, almost all hydrogen making its way to market is dirty.
We can think about hydrogen and the mountains of infrastructure it needs after the oil barons are all dead.
I don’t think transitioning to either predominantly BEVs or hydrogen powered vehicles really affects the energy mix since the electricity to charge BEVs also comes from natural gas. That said, the infrastructure to support fast charging for a predominantly BEV fleet isn’t there either, especially for cargo trucks.
Most of the hydrogen on market is made with methane.
EVs use whatever source is being given, and most of these sources are converting to renewables.
Not comparable imo.
It’s also worth noting that EVs can be charged at home. Fast charging isn’t necessary for most and it’s silly to pretend like hydrogen doesn’t need its own distribution network. It’s a lot more complicated to set up a hydrogen refilling station than a fast charging one and you can’t fully fill your hydrogen over night by plugging it into your wall outlet.
We need hydrogen powered vehicles just to spite this guy, if nothing else.
If you want to spite this guy, ride a bus.
Or a train. He realllly hates trains. If they’re not in stupid-ass evacuated tubes and separated into pods, that is.
Techbros love reinventing trains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5M7Oq1PCz4
I knew it was gonna be Adam Something, lol. That dude has the best Elon roasts.
And a train can even be greener than his silly cars with direct electrification via 3rd rail or overhead catenary.
That’s fair, but Musk has specifically complained about FCEVs before.
Yeah, but he’s right about that part. Hybrid cars are just BEVs with more steps that can’t be recharged at home. Maybe useful for planes and other specific applications. Dumb for cars.
You do know that nearly all fuel cell vehicles also use lithium and a battery pack, as well the fuel cell it self uses a number of rare earth metals.
I don’t know how the mineral ingredients of a fuel cell stack compare to a lithium battery, but assuming they’re the same, a fuel cell vehicle has significantly less of them. For example, the fuel cell stack in the Toyota Mirai weighs about 19kg and is complemented with a battery that weighs 45kg (1, 2). In comparison, the Tesla Model 3 carries a battery weighing 480kg. Therefore, a BEV has about 6.5x as much stuff of questionable origin (and questionable disposal requirements) as a FCEV.
The FCEV is going to be fueled from fossil fuels for the foreseeable future
Today, about 95% of all hydrogen is produced from steam reforming of natural gas.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-fuel-basics#:~:text=Today%2C about 95%25 of all,steam reforming of natural gas.
EV battery packs however can be nearly fully recycled back into more batteries.
https://blog.ucsusa.org/jessica-dunn/how-are-ev-batteries-actually-recycled/
Hydrogen is definitely interesting for the future but is currently used by the oil industry to stall the transition away from gas. On top of that, almost all hydrogen making its way to market is dirty.
We can think about hydrogen and the mountains of infrastructure it needs after the oil barons are all dead.
Hardly, since Methanol does most things better.
I don’t think transitioning to either predominantly BEVs or hydrogen powered vehicles really affects the energy mix since the electricity to charge BEVs also comes from natural gas. That said, the infrastructure to support fast charging for a predominantly BEV fleet isn’t there either, especially for cargo trucks.
Most of the hydrogen on market is made with methane.
EVs use whatever source is being given, and most of these sources are converting to renewables.
Not comparable imo.
It’s also worth noting that EVs can be charged at home. Fast charging isn’t necessary for most and it’s silly to pretend like hydrogen doesn’t need its own distribution network. It’s a lot more complicated to set up a hydrogen refilling station than a fast charging one and you can’t fully fill your hydrogen over night by plugging it into your wall outlet.
No need. Tesla is history. All the big carmakers can offer better electric models, either now or very soon.
Unfortunately, I think the other manufacturers are also following Tesla’s model of oversized batteries and software gimmicks.