Sorry I might be confused but, are you calling an 17.5 mile commute modest? Or just modest in comparison to 40 miles?
Not sure if this is obvious to the two of you but a huge part of urbanism is ensuring people can be housed near their jobs. Nobody advocating for bike infrastructure wants people to have to bike more than ~5 miles to work.
Except I have met people championing urbanism who simply refuse to understand that not everyone can, will, or wants to do 15 miles on a bike one-way, especially in my city. It’s all starry-eyed “we’ll just make safer bike lanes and places for people to walk” without any feasible planning for housing, or realizing that “hey not everyone has the ability or pay to live close to their jobsite”. This is usually from people who are living in high-rent areas, working jobs that absolutely afford them the luxury of living just down the road from where they work, and not realizing that not every job is right next door to everyone, especially in a lot of older cities.
Sorry I might be confused but, are you calling an 17.5 mile commute modest? Or just modest in comparison to 40 miles?
Not sure if this is obvious to the two of you but a huge part of urbanism is ensuring people can be housed near their jobs. Nobody advocating for bike infrastructure wants people to have to bike more than ~5 miles to work.
Except I have met people championing urbanism who simply refuse to understand that not everyone can, will, or wants to do 15 miles on a bike one-way, especially in my city. It’s all starry-eyed “we’ll just make safer bike lanes and places for people to walk” without any feasible planning for housing, or realizing that “hey not everyone has the ability or pay to live close to their jobsite”. This is usually from people who are living in high-rent areas, working jobs that absolutely afford them the luxury of living just down the road from where they work, and not realizing that not every job is right next door to everyone, especially in a lot of older cities.