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Who here is going to put their ID and photo on X/Twitter
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Nobody, absolutely nobody should trust that idiot with your ID.
If you always wanted to leak your ID to a bunch of hackers thanks to poor security practices, this is a great opportunity for you to do so
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then is trying to lose as little money as possible from this ordeal
Bro he could have just bought it and done nothing and he would have been better off. I don’t have the same read that you do. My read is that he had specific strategic political interests in buying it and the money/ value/ revenue shit is secondary.
He was actually forced to buy it after suggesting it
But the point remains that doing nothing would have brought more value so I agree that he isn’t trying to recoup lost money here
Yeah he probably is just playing with his new toy
But then he wouldn’t be able to use it to influence the US presidential election.
Nah, his entire goal was to take something away from the woke liberals and journalists and make it a Safe Space for fascist snowflakes.
Nothing the credit agencies don’t already leak every year or two…
or everyone could recognize that he is far more malevolent toward you than any hacker could possibly be, but yeah, they definitely have no security that worries about YOUR data
It’s not about trusting some idiot. It’s about attaching your identity to your activities online. I remember when these websites used to advise against doxing yourself.
Then swatting opponents will be much easier
I mean this whole process is explicitly for the purpose of attaching your identity to your online activities. If you don’t want to do it, just don’t.
I shudder to think of what will happen when hackers inevitably get into Twitter servers and steal all those IDs though…
It’s not technically hacking when Elon leaves the door open after slamming his dick in it.
It has already happened before. It will happen again.
Yeah. I’d rather hand it over to the weird guy at the bus stop. At least he’s not a billionaire douche bag.
It feels like even random software crackers are safer than Elon
Meth addicted inbred sociopathic hamster human hybrids are safer than Elon.
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Guessing, millions of people will feel obligated to share their ID. Not everyone can be saved
Ironically, it’s going to be a bunch of “libertarian” tech bros who use crypto for “privacy” who will be the first to give Musk (and by proxy every world government) their ID.
Probably most monero users dont use kyc exchanges so i dont think they will use kyc twitter let alone the first ones. This may kill twitter, but there is lots of stupid out there like those crypto and bitcoin users lol so you never know.
Shouldn’t trust Twitter users either, they’ll take an out of context joke you made back in 2011 and ruin your life over it.
Honestly, just fuck talking to people online. Literal no good will ever come of it. I’m just gonna stop communicating with people.
This shit is so dumb, no upside, only downsides
Ackshually, it’s upvotes and downvotes ☝️🤓
bruh lololol
Many will just go along with this bollocks…🤦🏻♂️
Very interested to see how the “small government” crowd deals with this.
Didn’t voat or truth social or something require IDs and the idiots all flocked to it?
I think that was Parler for the whole 3 mooches it was a thing.
Glad mooch remains a unit of measurement.
Dunno about the others, but I specifically remember Parler required users to attach their IDs to their profiles if they wanted to be verified.
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As one of the “small government” crowd I’m not trusting that douchebag with my information.
He’s gonna dox all the liberals/lefties. Wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t the original plan.
And journalists if they report on him negatively, or oppose his Russian “peace” talk suggestions, even if it puts their career in danger where they live. Peak freedom of speech absolutism!
Instructions unclear. Uploaded my social security card and DNA samples.
I would trust pornhub with my ID more than I’d trust that asshat with it.
They’d at least understand the need for privacy
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Twitter aside, if any website or app ever asks this of you, please nope the fuck out.
I guess it only occasionally makes sense for government web sites and banks. X might have ambitions to become a bank, so in that sense it might make sense.
So another piece of advice: if twitter ever asks you if you want to start using it for banking, nope the fuck out.
You Americans should get to this century and start performing digital strong authentications like the rest of us. Sending picture of your ID to anyone is insane :)
How we do it here in Finland is that there are digital identity providers which use bank/mobile carrier to identify you. They then use MFA when identifying you. Any service can use these services to do strong authentication for you. And they don’t cost anything for the customer, and is really cheap for the company who wants to identify you. It is also build into the law that you must identify people using these, to avoid identity theft.
We’re still trying to decide if slavery was wrong give us some time
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Half our country thinks that would be the mark of the Beast or some shit.
We have that
How doss your bank identify you?
When you walk in, the guy goes “hey Sam! I tupped your mom the other night.”
By the card they issued me when I opened the account.
But how did they authenticate your identity when you opened the account? I’d not trying to be an arse - but at some point it will likely have come back to matching some official photo id against your face.
They once identify you from your driver’s license, government id card or passport. After that you for example link your smart phone to you, and you use their app when you identify.
You can also use mobile carriers, they send a push notification directly to you phone+sim. Not sure what protocol they use here, because it opens up an UI which is plain android, and asks pin.
Everything relays on chain of trust that since one service has identified you, the next can trust too. Plus there is MFA to verify that you actually made the identification request.
I mean that’s how it’s like here in the States too. Show your paperwork at registration and that’s it.
The initial argument was ‘sending is to anyone is insane’ but that’s what you do with the bank. Yes it’s only once - but that’s the same as the other systems we are taking about here.
It’s not like the bank KEEPS your ID
Idk, I’ve got my hands in a lot of financial cookie jars, and I don’t recall ever being asked for something like this. At the very least, not in this manner.
It’s pretty standard for European banks thanks to Know Your Customer laws.
If you keep in mind that it’s only done with special certified subcontractors, then yes. I would never give that information directly to a company like X. And yes, also those special companies are more times shady than they should be, but still.
Call it Twitter please
If you keep in mind that it’s only done with special certified subcontractors, then yes.
Dunno what you’re talking about here but I’ve had to go through something similar every time I’ve opened a new account with a financial service.
But yeah, I would not trust Twitter/X either. Musk is too much of an emotional child following whatever whim takes his fancy that day.
I know there’s a similar-ish process for accessing Spanish social security services online at least, and I believe it’s the same for some other services as well.
Then again, Spanish public services are not exactly the gold standard for digitalization.
Wait are you Spanish too? Those websites look like they’ve been made by a secretary’s cousin that only knew how to copy and paste in the 90s
I just have a few Spanish friends! And from what they’re telling me that’s probably exactly how these websites were made.
I mean, most public computers are very old too. Like 20 years old at leat
I have the opposite experience but maybe it’s just different in the EU
He’s definitely pushing for Twitter to be the next WeChat.
Can’t wait for the social credit system
To follow his dystopian vision of Twitter as the Everything app, in the US it will have to be a bank at some point. The same way that Apple is now a bank in order to power parts of their wallet and payment platforms.
Apple also now offers savings accounts. And it’s been surprisingly successful.
That is because Apple has a cult following that begs to spend more money on Apple.
Or maybe because it has an APY of over 4%, which is pretty damn good for a savings account. If Google came up with a +4% APY savings account, I’m sure people would sign up for that in droves too.
Also, there are Apple, Google/Android, Microsoft and Linux cults. Apple is not unique in that arena.
Yeah, PayPal sure as fuck ain’t a bank. And the same douche started that.
Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, and Luke Nosek own Twitter?
The only government function that has ever wanted a “selfie” was for my drivers license and passport. Both of which feature that picture. But I’ve never done either through a site.
It’s stupid as well, because it’s impossible to authenticate an id or passport from a photo. You can just photoshop something and send that in.
incorrect. it is actually fairly easy to authenticate an id or passport from a photo. Photoshopping something is easily spotted by a trained eye. Source i work as a document expert for an online ID verification company. the amount of fakes we spot each day are fairly large and its not all automatically processed. Also for those people that don’t know where there data is proccesed. there are actually a lot of laws in place to protect your data for example for EU citizens
Sure, a bad photoshop can be spotted, but you can’t spot it if the forger put in just a little bit of effort. The fact that you can spot some fakes doesn’t mean you spot all fakes.
Hence why we have minimum picture quality were we reject if too low quality plus in 6 years of working i have only seen a handful of fraudsters put in effort. most don’t put in effort and are either shoddy photoshops or people use camouflage passports(aka passports from non existing countries)the thing is that most printing techniques are easily visible on official passports. things like laser engraving and embossing are hard to photoshop and if people try they often look digitally replaced. But for doing my work it also has made we agree that not all companies need every data you have. But yes it does hell that i have done Print design before this job so know about how things are printed plus knowing how photoshop works
So just … photoshop and print a fake ID and ask a stranger to take a picture with it.
I doubt you will see the ID clearly enough to make out the photoshopped parts.
nah thats why we reject on bad quality if we can’t see all the sec features or if documents are printed or on a screen. Things like laser engraving are actually easy to see the difference between Photoshop and real.
Then nope the fuck out of Hetzner then. They asked that of me.
Strange, I don’t remember them asking me that.
YouTube does this sadly.
Seriously???
Only if you want to watch adult-themed videos, which they have been more lenient towards after the introduction of YouTube Kids and this measure. NewPipe and
yt-dlpcan still stream them, though, and you could also interact with the video (like, comment, save to playlists) using the official frontend last time I checked.More lenient?!
I like to watch people playing Hearts of Iron 4 (a WW2 strategy game) and most of the creators avoid saying “Hitler” to avoid getting demonetized and hit with an age check.
It’s getting a lot worse.
What I meant is that fewer videos get removed when age-restricting them is an option. Demonetization of any keywords relating to objectionable topics is still ridiculous, though, especially when the company has major AI research labs that could figure out how to differentiate between use in historical context and propaganda. However, that does not pay the bills and they don’t need more users & creators to be happy about the platform.
Outside of services where you need to access it (ex. school / exams / government services), one beneficial one might be dating apps. There’s an advantage to being verified.
Although none of them ask for ID from what I understand, just “hold up 3 fingers and take a touch your nose” or something…
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Now imagine if all websites did
Yep. Fuck you airbnb!
PayPal did and I need this service for almost any online purchase. Credit card is uncommon here and expensive. :/
This.👆
Don’t do this. Delete your Xitter account and use Mastodon instead.
Xitter
In my head that’s pronounced “shitter”
That is indeed my intent.
I’m seeing equal parts shitter and exiter.
Man I never had a Twitter account to begin with, lol. Any Internet site that wants my ID can eat a dick instead because I will straight-up close that tab and 360 moonwalk right out the door.
- While “Safety Dance” plays faintly in the background.
This is the right answer.
Xitler?
I got a mastodon, but there’s nothing there.
You have to work to populate it.
Do you mean nothing as in your feed has barely any posts? Or nothing as is there’s no one interesting to follow?
Give it time. With both Xitter and reddit trying to kill themselves, and Threads dead on arrival, adoption of both Lemmy and Mastodon is going up.
do what i did: bring your friends :>
Friends?
you know, those guys who like and retweet each other.
I don’t have those.
90s: stay anonymous, be careful with strangers, don’t give up any more info than you have to. The internet can be a dangerous place. Also, supervise your kids and have them ask permission to go online.
2010s-2020s: livestream your life 24/7, use real names and emails everywhere when signing up for bullshit, hand your kid a phone and let them go buck wild as well.
How did we stray like this?
It’s also ironic that the same generation of parents telling us to be careful online and “don’t believe everything you see on TV” are the same ones that get their news from grifter pundits and divisive facebook memes generated by Russian bot farms.
It’s remarkable isn’t it? Now we’re the ones telling our parents to turn off the TV and get off the internet or it’ll rot their brains.
growing up these days includes realizing your parents are shameful hypocrites who are knowingly destroying the world
The funny thing is that you probably think you get news legitimately.
But the truth is that it’s all propaganda. The only difference between CNN and Fox, or reddit/Twitter/Facebook, is the angle.
But it’s all bullshit.
‘News’ doesn’t exist anymore, instead of just giving the facts, every article tries to tell you what you should think.
Oh, is this the fabled “bOtH sIdEs” argument?
There’s no ‘both sides’ it’s all ‘media’ and they all really really suck
That’s… the both sides argument.
It is decidedly proven that Fox N*ws is much less factual than any other source of news.
Even they themselves said in court that Fox N*ws is an opinion piece and no reasonable viewer would take them seriously.
So don’t compare actual news groups to something like Fox N*ws. They shouldn’t even be allowed to have the word “news” in their name.
You’re dreaming, friend
If you think somehow CNN or MSNBC or whatever is more factual you really should take a step back and have a real close look at the media. Just as anyone who thinks Fox News is ‘news’
They’re all just two sides of the same fucking coin
Boomers love to give advice and they hate to follow it—even their own!
I still sign up for websites with the following credentials:
Joe Blow 6969 Penetration Ave Beverly Hills, California 90210
I usually use the email “NoneOfYourBusiness@fuckoff.com”
People got mad when they didn’t know who insulted them online
governments and politicians got their hands on it
I miss the 90’s, a better time for sure.
Feels quite dystopian at the moment.
I, for one, want to thank Elon Musk for graciously backing up my highly sensitive government ID (that has my birthdate, eye color, height, weight), my biometric data, and likeness! It is such a nice thing to centralize all my most sensitive data into one giant honeypot waiting to meltdown. It is made even more appealing after he fired the entire staff responsible for maintaining this honeypot!
Over/under before data breach and this all gets leaked?
Considering all the past, current, and future disgruntled employees - I wouldn’t be shocked at all by an insider leaking stuff like this. The company is unstable like its leadership - which isn’t very trust-inspiring.
Well, that’s a possibility too, but I was expecting that they just lose the data through over-work or negligence. Remember, this is the company that DDOS’d itself a month or two ago and had to be told about it on twitter…
Following the theory that the leadership at twitter actually hate the users and are decimating the platform on purpose for the lols, maybe the outcome you suggest is the plan.
Part of me believes this theory, because it’s hard to imagine how someone even with the explicit stated purpose of destroying twitter could have topped the recent developments. It’s almost as if what they’re trying to do is embarrass and degrade the users.
It does say “for up to 30 days”. Would’ve been better if it was 24 hours, but after the initial wave of verifications, there probably won’t be much there.
That is assuming you can trust the company that does the verification for them.
Looking forward to the inevitable massive data breach.
Will be even more interesting when they inevitably hold the data for longer than the 30 days
Providing this info in the first place is the data breach… 🥴
it’s not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
There is absolutely 0 chance I’m sending any documents to the clown in chief
Don’t worry… they are probably going to a “trusted” 3rd party service ;-)
It’s right in the fine print. “Au10tix”, lmao.
Of course there’s an X in the name
elons going to be running X like the hudson construction company
Identity theft as a service… IDaS?
Do we pronounce it Eye-Dass, or can we get away with ID-Ass here ;-)
can i just draw an ID in crayon and send in a selfie of me wearing my sick shades and an N95 mask?
can i just draw an ID in crayon and send in a selfie of me wearing my sick shades and an N95 mask?
The chief twit.
There is absolutely 0 chance I’m sending any documents to the clown in chief
a clown has to make people laugh. it’s a tough job.
imagine elonMusk trying to please people!
But what about Elon?
Man, Elon’s got one hell of a boner for WeChat, huh? I honestly feel embarassed for him. WeChat is WeChat because it’s Chinese – there is no secret formula for Elon to steal. The circumstances which created WeChat simply do not exist in the west and IMO it should stay that way.
Tbf, I think he has wanted to have an everything app going back to his PayPal days. I still think it’s a stupid idea for the American market.
There’s an entire plotline in Startup where the main character is desperately trying to create an everything app after seeing someone in an Asian country with 1 app on their phone.
Spoiler alert - most of the development staff ends up quitting and it bombs on launch because nobody in the West is remotely interested in an “everything” app.
It exists. It’s called android! Honestly though, that’s why Google developed it. They wanted to maintain control and stay as the primary Internet portal for mobile users. Banking, messaging, gaming and productivity all passes through them.
We chat has similar in China but only because competitors were stifled. It won’t work in the west as competition for any aspect will be better for some people and anticompetitive behavior will be clamped down on even if it started to work.
isn’t weChat an app on android?
how does this comparison work?
It’s not the same. It’s Elon thinking it can be with an app, but it can’t. It’s google realising over 10 years ago that to have that level of control in the western markets, you need to have an entire platform, not an app. Elon can’t even get Twitter to do one thing well, let alone all the things.
Maybe not messaging 😂
You mean all the messaging?
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Ah yes, just take a photo of your id. Surely X can be trusted, right… right guys?
Sure it can. Just wait 'til it also becomes your banking app, keeping your money totally safe, then you’ll be able to double trust it. Would space karen x ever lie to anyone? /s
Of course she wouldn’t lie to anyone. Just wait 'til your totally safely kept money becomes programmable by central banks, regulating where you can spend it, when you can spend it, what you can spend it on, and builds a neat profile of yourself linking every single activity you do, online and offline. We wouldn’t want any terrorists or bad citizens to be out there now, would we? /s
If they ever have a data breach I’m sure they’ll totally do right by the consumer also 🙄
Wouldn’t trust this clown with my digital words, let alone a copy of my actual ID
I’m sure they would offer 6 months of free credit screening as a consolation like all the other companies do. Just enter your social security number so they know what to look out for.
Nobody noticed “Be prepared to take a sefie” !?
I can guarantee that this was pushed out the door without any actual forethought or planning. Because Elon probably decreed that it had to be done now, so the devs were forced to push to prod without any actual testing ahead of time.
i can’t think of a better way to handle the rollout of a new identity verification system
Camera must be uncovered.
not my frist language, what’s wrong with it?
Just a typo, should be “selfie”. Indicates poor quality control.
Bahaha nice catch.
it won’t be mandatory, unfortunately. Would’ve loved to see another fediverse mass migration
Online banks use this method. I am not happy with this either. It’s government-regulated, so OK (sort of).
A social media site? No, thank you.
Exciting times for hackers !
I mean if you want your identity to be stolen, theres other equally fast ways
Hahahahaha no.
Besides, what makes them think I even have a government ID? I don’t drive and I’d only need a passport if I had to leave the country.
Looooooooots of people don’t have ID.
