• Chariotwheel@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    Well, the full quote is:

    And based on what I’ve seen that appears as though it was done by the other team, not you,

    He is refering to the Israeli evidence given, he’s not giving new information distinct from that

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      He is refering to the Israeli evidence given

      Which is still dumb as fuck…

      Israel has shown time and time again they’ll exaggerate evidence or flat out make it up.

      They went full fascist long ago. And fascists first instinct is always to say evidence proves theyre right, but then try not to show anyone because it was a lie.

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        He is refering to the Israeli evidence given. Which is still dumb as fuck…

        you know that the initial claim was straight from the Hamas itself, right?

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          If you’re saying Hamas said that Hamas blew up their own hospital in Gaza…

          No, I haven’t heard that and I’m going to need an actual source saying that. And Israel’s government doesn’t count because obviously they’re not a reliable source.

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            Man, you can really tell who hasn’t engaged with the matter aside from headlines.

            Not even Israel claims that it was Hamas who fired the rocket. You would know that, if you would have spend just a little bit of your time actually reading articles instead of just commenting under them.

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              I know what happened.

              I just dont know what nonsense Israel and their defenders are claiming these days.

              You never know what someone’s opinion is by going off what facts are.

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            If you’re saying Hamas said that Hamas blew up their own hospital in Gaza…No, I haven’t heard that and I’m going to need an actual source saying that.

            The initial claim was that Israel did blew up the hospital and this claim was made by the Hamas Ministry of Health itself.

            The number of people killed in the strike on the al-Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital has risen to at least 500, according to the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza. https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-latest-updates-gaza-sky-news-live-blog-12978800?postid=6592711#liveblog-body

            Gaza’s Ministry of Health says at least 500 people were killed and injured. Both agencies are under the militant Islamist Hamas-led government. https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/asien/israel-hamas-krankenhaus-100.html (German News station)

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                Pretty disgusting to joke about this shit like that.

                The evidence seems to suggest that it was not Israel. But I am sure you will provide better evidence instead of just malding on the internet, correct?

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                  “The evidence” that Israel won’t release and shows they didn’t blow up the hospital in the area they’ve been bombing?

                  I’m gonna need to see the evidence because Israel repeatedly lies about this stuff.

                  I’m just going in circles here, what don’t you understand?

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        Then again, the other side is Hamas and Islamic Jihad with so far no evidence. I am not trusting Israel blindly, but neither do I trust those two blindly. It’s entirely possible that Islamic Jihad fucked up big time and Hamas tried to pin this on Israel. As far as fact checking goes, it probably needs a bit more time, but so far Israel’s claims and evidence seem to check out.

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          No, the “other side” is all the civilians stuck between two genocidal militaries that don’t see the other sides civilians as humans.

          Neither militaries are the “good guys”.

          But if you can only understand black and white conflicts:

          The difference is Gaza’s last election was before the majority of its citizens were born. And Israel has mandated military service and choose to have their current government

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              But why would Hamas blow up a Palestinian hospital?

              How is that as likely to you as the country that keeps bombing the area hit the hospital either and intentionally or “on accident”?

              You’re acting like it’s a 50/50 chance

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                It’s frustrating to argue with you, because you did not bother at all.

                First of all: it’s not Hamas, even by what Israel said. It’s Islamic Jihad.

                Secondly: it wasn’t on purpose by that argumentation, it was a failed rocket launch. It would not be the first time a militant group with makeshift rockets had an accident, although this would be particularly lethal.

                It’s astonishing how much passion you put into your comments while refusing to actually read about what you talk about.

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                  It’s frustrating to argue with you,

                  Maybe dont reply to all my comments in a chain if I take longer ngee than 2 minutes to reply to you?

                  Hell. Just block me, I’d appreciate that. Especially since you keep making personal insults.

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                    It never complained about the time to take. I am talking about your lack of knowledge in the matter discussed.

                    I am trying to help you here. I told you that you lack knowledge, I also straight up told you where.

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        The implication of your statement is that Hamas doesn’t exaggerate, or fabricate, stories and evidence to feed their information war.

        FWIW, I agree with the words in your statement, but I disagree with the intention behind them, for the reasons I provided up top.

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        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12643229/Israel-blast-Gaza-hospital-Palestine-video-rocket-misfire.html

        Apologies for the Daily Mail, but this is an audio recording of two Hamas fighters discussing the blast and stating it was from a botched rocket launch in a graveyard behind the hospital.

        You can say they just made this up, but at that point you should at least admit that there is no possible evidence that would change your mind and that your view is completely inflexible.

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          What’s wild is that on Twitter, the official Israel account posted video “proof” of it being a rocket misfire has now edited their tweets to remove the video. Most likely because the videos are timestamped 20 minutes after the first reports of the hospital blast.

          Link: https://x.com/Israel/status/1714371894521057737?s=20

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            Ultimately, I’m waiting for some independent groups to analyze everything before making a firm conclusion. I’ve seen several different videos purporting to be the rocket, and now I’m seeing images that the only real damage was to a parking lot outside with a blast that really doesn’t look like a military bomb.